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> I also don’t think there will be Motorola devices with GOS out of the box, they’re just meeting the requirements to be able install it.

"There's a high chance." https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117299954135808210

In other posts they've said they will be sold with GrapheneOS out of the box.

I don't think there's any defaults you need to change out of the box besides installing the apps you want.

But yeah, besides the stock Android which looks good, GrapheneOS does not add UI features themselves. When they add features like the recent secure clipboard, it fits nicely in the settings.

I agree about cash, but we are talking about a luxury experience. In fact, GrapheneOS has talked about it [1].

> So the lack of contactless payment on GrapheneOS may be inconvenient, but is it consistent with a privacy stance

I doubt you're implying this, but GrapheneOS doesn't break contactless, Google does by blocking GrapheneOS. Contactless works with curve and paypal in Europe.

[1] https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117249893761790371

"Moving from cash to credit cards, PayPal, etc. is an ongoing privacy disaster."

There is Android Auto. There's contactless payments in Europe through Curve, Paypal, and some specific banks. Some companies are working on bringing them to the US.

GrapheneOS with FOSS apps is a premium experience but not where non - technical users will go currently because of the setup. Once setup it's very premium.

Motorola really seems to be going for a luxury look [1] and there will be Motorola devices with GrapheneOS installed out of the box.

[1] https://nitter.miningtcup.me/Moto/status/2102040650606891119...

https://nitter.miningtcup.me/Moto/status/2100933254249627806...

Pantone and some sound partnership.

Me too. Android for the most part has much better UI.

The rotation thingy alone infuriates me on iPhones. The Android implementation is perfect.

Android keyboards are in a different class from iOS. And I use a source available privacy respecting one.

VPNs work much better on Android.

Settings is laid out better.

Haptics are used much more which I appreciate.

lack of back button is a crime.

can't customize home screen launcher.

clock alarms often doesn't work

I like Vanadium (Chromium) a lot more than Safari. Everything is so well thought out. For example, on iOS, the open in new tab brings you to that tab so if you want to open a bunch, you have to go back to the tab you're branching off of. On Chromium, it works like on desktop.

default apps arent as well implemented as android. Can't change a lot of them which seems anti-competitive. I'm talking about picking which apps open and stuff like messaging app, not the default apps that come with the OS's quality. Apple might get a win there. Apple notes is awesome.

The Android password manager integration is much better at autofilling and detection.

There are [1] people currently using GrapheneOS in Brazil. You can ask on the forum and you might get more clarity. The Motorola Signature will be announced in a few days but is a high end flagship with all-around better hardware than the Pixel 11 Pro XL and it's cheaper, but it's still a flagshio.

[1] https://discuss.grapheneos.org/?q=brazil%20

I'm also talking about AFU security which is actually a very common threat which GrapheenOS defends against better than iPhones based on leaks.

GrapheneOS is just so easy to use securely.

I agree–it's absurd to be more concerned about spying of China on American citizens than the spying of our own government. While allies of the US are problematic because of however many eyes.

Not particularly relevant but the lawful spying implemented in the telecommunications system by our own government has been abused by Chinese hackers as well.

Are all of these unsuitable [0]?

Not sure if you have any experience with eBay. I looked it up and people had problems selling to Brazil [1] but there are various listings that offer to ship. So maybe not a great option.

KaBuM!, Intec Store, Performance Solutions all charge significantly more with a 10a being more than double than from Google.

Motorola officially sells the Signature in Brazil [2] at the same price or cheaper than in the UK. It will be supported by GrapheneOS in 2027 on the 2027 version. From then on, hopefully Qualcomm brings MTE to the non-flagship chips and Motorola and GrapheneOS support budget or midrange devices.

>perfect is the enemy of good

I don't consider that relevant when users deserve ≥ security than an iPhone. GrapheneOS is not purpose-built to avoid big-tech's services although it does that more completely than any other alternative mobile operating system, the focus is privacy.

GrapheneOS on the state of privacy and security for their ethos: https://x.com/GrapheneOS/status/2044440381803069778

[0] https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=google+pixel+9

[1] https://reddit.com/r/Ebay/comments/1d92pyn/

https://community.ebay.com/forum/shipping-57923/topic/diffic...

[2] https://www.motorola.com.br/smartphone-motorola-signature/p?...

Yes. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49399927. In the US you don't have key disclosure laws so the best course of action is to shut the fuck up [1].

[1] https://reddit.com/r/funny/comments/olecn5

It's a bad idea because of the increased attack surface even if it was possible and it's not possible according to Veracrypt [1]. It would quickly become a known feature document in guides regularly updated and handed to law enforcement. Forensic tools would also add detections.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[1] https://veracrypt.io/en/Wear-Leveling.html

https://veracrypt.io/en/Trim%20Operation.html

GrapheneOS's goal is privacy for the world and that's achieved through secure devices. You can get a phone specifically for GrapheneOS just as you choose a new device when you're buying a new one. Soon there will be two different phone brands which you can install it on. There's already an estimated 500,000 users with Pixel exclusivity.

https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/117249893761790371

We don't need mass surveillance with guardrails, we need no mass surveillance. This is good, though, unless it prevents getting rid of mass surveillance.

What about "searchy.me"?

KYC like all CEXs. Pretty much all those companies practice surveillance capitalism. Kraken is also KYC but at least they didn't delist Monero.

You said that the AI industry feels they're replaceable. I'm not saying that AI does equivalent work, I'm saying that AI companies don't choose the prices for art, they just play in the market.

There's insider attack resistance and there's evidence that the chips hold up against real forensics attacks. They perform better than iPhones in Cellebrite (leading digital forensics company) support matrix leaks.

Other options also rely on closed-source security chips or have none at all, and are demonstrated to be much weaker against AFU attacks or are able to be extracted in BFU and then brute-forced if there's a weak password.

So you'd rather choose a chip with demonstrated weaker security over one with demonstrated stronger security because of a hypothetical risk that has no supporting evidence?

Their price is based on supply and demand just like everything. If AI decreases demand or raises supply then their price will go down.

You'd have to put the gift link in the comments it got removed.

2 days ago, 222 comments on commits adding this feature with ZKPs: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49689048

Now we get to see the preliminary price and a fun bonus is the 2FA features. I would be surprised if they get any spam at this price because SMS-verification sites have signal phone verification for cents. Hopefully they lower the price and add crypto payment options.

I Do not like the new battery icon on MacOS. I think they made it the same as iOS.

Awesome to see no trackers on the website. Hopefully the apps are as privacy focused :)

The twitter and email icons on the website are broke-looking.

The privacy policy is not confidence-inducing. E2EE for user content and location would be great.

Only if you enable it and theres a clear checkbox to enable E2EE. They should check it by default but I doubt even majority of people do backups.

Maybe WhatsApp gives them a ton of metadata like all their contacts, when they chat and with who, IPs, etc. Signal only gives out either time registered or last used last time I checked.

Have you heard of comprehensible input? Seems to be better for languages.

What steps are you taking to improve its security?

Nym is apparently good against a global adversary.

nym.com might have some. They use stuff like that heavily and there's a bunch of academics involved.

Also ZCash.