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3. Goanna exists, which is an engine forked from Gecko in 2016.

Relevant discussion here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43703812.

> "I mean, a news site needs their journalists to login."

Why can't this site just upload HTML files to their web server?

> "Negligible amount."

Neglecting the independent web is exactly what led to it dying out and the Internet becoming corporate algorithm-driven analytics machine. Making it harder to maintain your own, independent website, which does not rely on any 3rd-party to host or update, will just make less people bother.

> "You mean an open-twitter clone that caters to a very niche set of individuals?"

It's not just one instance and not even one frontend existing for what can be described as "fediverse". Decentralization is the whole point.

> "a very niche set of individuals?"

Everything depends on the instance you're using. Some of them, like mastodon.social, are very active, others are not.

> "I hate the whole gimmick of 150 character messages"

Find a better instance. On the one I use it's 2k characters limit.

> "That's not independent web like it was."

Yes, because it's a whole new level of independence. NewGrounds, Myspace and everything you mentioned are centralized platforms, which is practically vendor lock-in, because you're dependent on just one vendor for everything you do on these platforms, while on fediverse, you aren't. Instances are completely (except for showing posts from one another) independent from each other - there's no central "authority" controlling all of them like there would be on a centralized platform. Thousands of them exist for every frontend imaginable, and you can create one yourself.

It is - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=/pol/&oldid=12855....

> "But if you desire to create your own site for social media the uphill battle is so great regulated in their honour, it's not possible."

Fediverse exists quite successfully.

> "The aesthetic did not exist in 2004"

Well, this research states that "Between 2004 and 2013, Frutiger Aero was influential in advertising, media, stock images, cinema, gaming, and spatial design". That's page 4.

> "shoved down my throat."

Who shoves it down someone's throat though? I can't remember the last time I used tiktok, probably 3 or 4 years ago, and I don't feel like anyone forces me to.

> "can't effectively be bruteforced like a user+password."

Only when the password is weak enough to bruteforce swiftly. It will take literally thousands of years to bruteforce strong passwords.

It did since at least 2004[1].

[1] - https://yenimedya.aydin.edu.tr/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/3....

I think anything before Frutiger Aero became popular (and it didn't in 2003) can be considered "early" Internet.

Well these are messengers, not social media. The only social media platforms without algorithms I can think of are decentralized, i.e. what can be described as "fediverse".

> "While social media connects people, most believe it has fueled societal divisions by creating echo chambers."

I think this issue of echo chambers exists because people become religious of their communities and refuse to listen to opinions of another communities - not because social media are flawed themselves.

SimpleX?

https://simplex.chat/

> "It's surprising and stupid."

I think it probably is irrational, but I don't think there's any way to combat such biases. It's just how humans as social species are - we're less likely to trust someone who doesn't trust our views or opinions.

And obligatory https://nitter.net/MarcACaputo/status/1911517973766127978.

https://old.reddit.com/r/aws/comments/1jupura/just_got_compr... - this post you're referring to?

Well, this looks legit, as this is a real domain registered in 2022, but I still don't get why would you make a new post on a freshly registered domain after a 3-year pause and immediately submit it to HN.

And what was the previous domain name?

The posthuman.blog domain name was registered yesterday on April 12, right when this post was written - https://www.whois.com/whois/posthuman.blog.

And this is the second of only two posts there, with the first supposedly being written in July of 2022.

All of this leads me to a reasonable suspicion that this person is actually the one who made the post they're complaining about.

Btw the posthuman.blog domain was registered yesterday, right when this post was written - https://www.whois.com/whois/posthuman.blog.

You can contact them via email which is on the main page of the site. If it's not fake obviously.

Oh true. It's there in archived version but now absent in the post itself. Maybe they're reading HN too?

https://old.reddit.com/r/Millennials/comments/1jx4unb/anyone... - original Reddit post they're talking about + https://ghostarchive.org/archive/XwHey?wr=false - archived version of it.

Is there any particular date/time you'll introduce a no-JS solution?

And are you going to support older browsers? I tested Anubis with https://www.browserling.com with its (I think) standard configuration at https://git.xeserv.us/xe/anubis-test/src/branch/main/README.... and apparently it doesn't work with Firefox versions before 74 and Chromium versions before 80.

I wonder if it works with something like Pale Moon.

I'd strongly recommend to find a working SearXNG instance but if you don't want to deal with it, Bing's index (for whatever reason particularly the one used to power Yahoo) is currently pretty good at searching niche websites.

> I think a large portion of HN commenters are unaware of the consumer demand for these features.

For me it's just that "ordinary" users don't complain about them being added, which in practice means silent agreement.