what precisely is your point of describing how quality production engineering for infrastructure works?
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what precisely is your point of describing how quality production engineering for infrastructure works?
It’s like we’re living on an entirely different planet than the people who existed prior to the industrial revolution
Bertrand Russell’s grandfather was alive during napoleon’s rule and he speaks about the difference between 1950 and 1900:
Unironically this is the kind of headline I’m expecting in 2040 about one or more major AGI systems running an electrical grid, factory or similar.
1/5 CEOs are psychopaths
The people giving back wallets aren’t running companies and governments
I guess they just want to maintain their url
The future isn’t evenly distributed
You may be able to get a handful of people to agree temporarily but that’s probably as good as you’ll ever get
I don’t believe there is a single word at least in the English language where there is consistent Universal agreement on a singular definition
Bonne chance!
otherwise slave camps would not exist, there would’ve never been a pogrom, and the current state of economics would just not be happening
I certainly appreciate your optimism but optimism is not an epistemology
Because actions have Universal impact
No harder challenge had ever been accomplished
It’s easier to send a human to the moon than to get global agreement on a definition
Consider that the fact that Celsius and Fahrenheit still remain as the contested regional variations of temperature measurement.
Humans can’t even decide on a collective way to measure the temperature the idea that we would be able to collectively agree on anything else even less measurable like honor is a dream
It’s actions are based on what it gets rewarded for
Human society overwhelmingly rewards lying cheating and stealing.
All you have to do is look at how we collectively measure success: wealth, status, position
Then look at how the people with the most of those things got there, it should be obvious what you get. Nothing new here.
If you raise children in an environment where they are rewarded for doing whatever it takes to win, then you’re going to build a person that’s going to do whatever it takes to win.
Human society has to demonstrate how to live honorably or it will just keep producing pathological agents be they human or not.
This is the most salient point and shows this guy understands the ooda loop — possibly better than the pentagon, which famously hates Boyd and the concept of strategic optimization.
That’s what college life was like for me in a top 10 US school in 2003-2008 and was true of that school since 1954.
Just pretend like it’s 1950 and use the tools and build the community you need to do it like they did back then
No fair using nail guns
Even worse is that the human is usually just as worthless because the problem is often upstream at the insurance provider or regulation
This is something I’m finding with people complaining about AI systems the AI system in this case is not any worse than the previous IVR system was it just expanded the use cases and now people say oh it doesn’t work for those expanded use cases
There’s no mention whatsoever of the current absolute devastatingly bad state of all software across the world
It’s like people are mad when there’s an application that already sucks, someone attempts to use genAI, that fails and then they blame AI
The whole thing is absurd
Whether or not you agree with that philosophy or not living by yourself in a tent in the forest is absolutely an option
“My post, and the GP post I'm agreeing with, are saying that most of those aren't optional "lifestyle upgrades"”
My disagreement is that they are optional, like everything else in life
You aren’t willing to take the tradeoff of not having indoor plumbing or whatever but the claim that using modern technologies and living according to capitalism isn’t an option is incorrect
Ultimately that’s a choice among infinite options
Like they don’t even say the full name of the prescription they just tell you the first three letters and they’ll say “for the patient born on…”
Current pharmacy IT systems are currently almost 100% automated so how are you claiming it’s the first use?
How about getting a check cashed or a payday loan?
Furniture financing is almost 100% a scam
Pharma pricing?
The current world has different technology and economics
In order to match the same lifestyle of the past you would have to be subject to the economic and technological structure of the past
Which you can emulate and it is objectively cheaper but you choose
This is literally the operational principle of the Amish and mennonite communities
The challenge is that this is a hard argument to make to most people because they aren’t aware of the hedonic treadmill
I could easily afford the life my grandfather had in 1950, but I wouldn’t have a fuel injected motor, vaccines, a laptop or a job in computing.
My air would be full of lead and my drinking water would be cloudy and smell like sulphur.
That life is possible in San Angelo Tx today on ~15,000 a year, the equivalent of his salary in 1950
You need to be accepting and prepared to die in every sense of the word in order get there
Which means you need to shed your ego entirely and everyone has their own journey there.
You’ll know when you meet someone that has experienced it though it’s very rare