Bay Area Living in Shipping Containers
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“This is scalable,” said Williams, 28, a freelance electrical engineer. “I know a guy who has about 12 of these.”
What a scumbag.
Without it, I'd have to either live somewhere where I fear for my safety, add 1-2 hours of BART commute onto my workday (and lose easy access to SF restaurants/culture), or spend $2500-$4000 for a studio in a comparable neighborhood.
Downstairs, there are 2 bedrooms that could have easily held 2 twin beds each, and another small room that could have taken 1 twin bed.
As a single-family home it would have comfortably slept 7. It's probably 2-3x larger than my childhood home and would have fetched $750,000+ in the suburban Midwest.
Convert all those twins to bunk beds (as my landlord did) and you've got 10 people across the downstairs bedrooms. Replace the king-size bed with 2 bunk beds, you've got 4 beds in the space where 1 was. 14 people sleeping in the same amount of floor space that 7 previously occupied. Now take the vast empty floor space in the master bedroom and add 2 bunk beds, and you're at the 18 that I live with.
It doesn't feel crowded. It has the same drawbacks that any room-sharing situation has - you're never alone, you have to hear people breathe and snore and shift around in bed, there's no possibility of having sex (you can sexile one person - not 7), you have to smell people's smells. But it's no worse than living in a double in college, summer camp, etc. I had no chance of bringing a girl home anyway, the sounds are drowned out by the city/wind when you've got a window open, and everyone is polite and sensitive to the fact that we're sharing space.
A portion of that price also goes to Airbnb, which gives me trust/reputation, escrow, precisely the dates of stay I wanted, and no monthslong Craigslist game as is usually necessary to sublet in SF.
If you work near a BART station, it's a faster commute than many parts of SF.
It's clear that the downsides are minimal to you, and the upsides worth it. I understand that. But you're freaking crazy thinking you have to live 2 hours away to find more reasonable prices. There are hardly even 2 hour lines on BART. Ditto on the safety issue; just know what parts of Oakland to avoid and you're all set.
I wouldn't say it's his fault. He's not doing it for charity, sure, but it's not his fault that the prices are insane. He's not forcing people to live there.
People double their money where I live renting places for $350/bed. People either can't afford a whole place to themselves or don't want to risk the hassle of renting an entire place and subleasing it, so they rent, realizing their combined rent is making a profit for the owner. It's just arbitrage.
> He leases the bungalow from a Chinese venture capitalist for about $6,800
That is just insane.
Again, no one is forcing them to live there. They can come live where I do and get a three-bedroom house for $750/month, but they apparently want to live there. He gives them that chance.
I don't think he's a 'scumbag' or profiting off of others misfortune. I was able to rent a place to crash for ~$150 less per day than a hotel would have cost and I had access to a full kitchen, washer/dryer, fast internet etc, which I wouldn't have had with a hotel.
If somebody gives people of misfortune a significantly cheaper option, which has its fair tradeoffs in delivered product, while still being profitable, I don't see much of a problem.
This is the truly insane part.
It's also probably a more humane solution than the currently popular option - don't build anything at all.
The difference is tents aren't designed to be stackable. https://www.google.com/search?q=shipping+container+stacks&tb...
But as below comments mention, generally steel intermodal containers make pretty poor livable areas for a variety of reasons. Lack of insulation, hard surfaces, contamination from previous contents, weight and difficulty in handling without heavy machinery, lack of local sourcability, etc. etc.
Your ideal use case is probably a port area with extremely high population density and an advanced economy (for heavy machinery) but an extremely high wealth disparity, in a reasonable climate. So, maybe SE Asian port cities? With a sacrificial layer of containers on the outside to heat-sink?
"As part of Mr. Lee's good neighbor policy, all Rat Things are programmed never to break the sound barrier in a populated area. But Fido's in too much of a hurry to worry about the good neighbor policy."
Given that Facebook owns the premiere Virtual Reality company right now, which employs one of the greatest 3D programmers living, who has explicitly stated that he'd like to create Stephenson's Metaverse for real, I think we're already well on the way to that one.
I'm almost in such a setup.
This is more about creative subdividing to me. Whether it's a tent or a shipping container.
Is it just impossible to save money safely?
[1] http://www.amazon.com/Poor-Economics-Radical-Rethinking-Pove...
Another reason is that they don't have easy access to credit markets, so they can't just get a mortgage and move into a home and start paying it off.
One more part of the reason is that they usually build the homes themselves, and its rewarding to see the house go up brick by brick - visual progress is being made.
I'm not an expert, but these are my informed observations and learnings.
I liked the idea of a shipping container home, but my brief research into it showed it's not much/any cheaper than a regular home.
Shipping Container Houses, Amsterdam Noord
http://greetingsfromholland.blogspot.nl/2010/08/shipping-con...
Keetwonen (Amsterdam student housing)
http://www.tempohousing.com/projects/keetwonen.html
Amsterdam's Shipping Container Homes Are Lean And Green
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/08/amsterdam-shipping-...
Shipping Container Architecture
http://blog.designpublic.com/2008/10/27/shipping-container-a...
The Dutch have a thing for recycled architecture. You can see the colorful student shipping container housing off in the distance from the bungee jumping platform at the top of the luxurious Faralda Crane Hotel at NDSM ship wharf, at around 10:00:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=860OXQjf87w
They even made the KamerMaker, a 3D house printer, in a shipping container:
http://www.threefarm.com/http/threefarmtumblrcom/2014/3/18/t...
I look around the bay area and I see a ton of single family homes. Where are the large multi-story apartment buildings?
edit: but if you build larger living spaces in places that nobody wants to live, i'm happy with that
The reality is that the real blight on nature is the single family homes which are built on forests and farmland.
San Francisco is already at an untenable population density. You can have a livable city by going light or going dense, but being in the middle is what kills you (which is where SF is right now).
The light scenario is your classic suburbia, where you drive across the street. Dense is New York City, with many amenities in walking distance and copious public transportation. The middle (San Francisco) doesn't have enough people to support good public transit (buses/trains stopping every 5 minutes or less) 24 hrs a day, but has so many people that the roads are gridlocked.
SF needs to thin out or get dense if it wants to survive. What force do you think will decimate the population by 50%?
Visit Hong Kong and see what population density really looks like.
Not only is this an issue of residential codes. The other problem is that they're doing manufacturing in a residential neighborhood that's not zoned for manufacturing. And it's disturbing the neighbors in the area with noise and even sewage spillover.
Building out on those areas because there's currently demand over on that side of the Bay (because it's closer to Stanford and Sandhill road) would be a big time shame.
It's not "unused", it's just not being used for human development. Wildlife and nature enthusiasts make very effective use of that land, and the fact that it exists is one of the things that makes living in the developed areas so desirable.
Luke is YC
Here's a 28min video of him and Heather showing off the project back in October https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfqunEuw61k
heard about this a few months ago and I find it pretty cool. if only the laws were more favourable...
Edit: and looking at their website (http://www.boxouse.com/), solving bay area housing doesn't seem to be the actual business proposition.
Either Ivy Lee's comments reflect a serious, willful, inability to see reality and enforce the laws, or it is simply a poorly thought through excuse for a willful choice to not enforce the laws. It reflects a deep dysfunction either way. A few precedents like that would make me very, very hesitant to purchase commercial property in San Francisco.
I think a lot of it has todo with ego, investor show-ponying and lack of solid culture. Beyond that many startups justify paying their employees like shit for small office perks like free lunch and couches. That type of stuff doesn't really work remotely.
Async chat tools, file sharing, conference calls, video chats, etc. are the lifeblood of communication at remote companies. Without those tools it's very hard to make remote working work.
People who say remote work doesn't work often times still rely on things like email...that's just not how it works. If you're communicating internally via email you're doing it wrong.
That's not to say tools define remote culture, but they certainly help reinforce it.