Amazon Sign Top Gear's Jeremy Clarkson, Richard Hammond and James May
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Their (Clarkson, Hammond, May) audience will decrease wherever they ended up, but Amazon is probably their worst choice in that regard (compared to Netflix or even Sky). All I can assume is a lot of money was given to them, which suggests Amazon is aggressively expanding into Europe (where C, H, M are popular).
Imagine an English person running an English business (eg, a tea shop with a single store and no online presence) in England. They want to advertise to people so they contact Google's English ad division and buy ads to be shown in England. They pay using English money, from their English bank account to Google's English bank account.
Somehow this doesn't count for English tax, somehow it's Irish tax.
Otherwise, there are similar "loopholes" in complex tax codes. You just need to find them.
[1] http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jan/15/amazon-lux...
[1] http://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_aid/cases/254685/25468...
I just wish EU courts were even remotely as efficient in acting against states and enforcing the EU treaties in cases where the state is collecting tax more aggressively than what EU rules would allow.
Amazon, Google, Starbucks etc engage in very aggressive tax planning. They say it's all legal - they're not trying to evade tax, just avoid it. But because their schemes are so aggressive it might be illegal. We don't really know because the cases would have to go to court. Sometimes tax authorities will investigate, and will persuade a company that their aggressive tax plannin was unlawful, and then get some repayment of the missing tax. This usually means that the company avoids the court case and doesn't have to repay the total tax they avoided.
No-one expects them to pay all their tax burden. People in the UK recognise that tax planning is a useful important activity.
What we don't like is companies taking the piss.
And as to why they should pay tax: they get the benefits from society that flow from taxes - educated workforce, police, road infrastructure, healthcare, etc etc. They should pay their share.
Finally these companies will sometimes mention other taxes. So they'll talk about VAT or PAYE. But VAT is a tax the customer pays. The company collects it, but it's collected from the customer. And PAYE is (apart from the employer's contribution) a tax that the employee pays, again collected by the company. It's a scumbag move to reduce your tax payments to the minimum you can and then talk about the tax other people pay as if it's tax you pay.
http://www.accountancyage.com/aa/news/1774186/top-taxman-dit...
I think in the end the HMRC took a deal on Vodafone's terms. Nothing illegal but I think you could vilify that behavior.
The android thing is annoying.
I assumed it was to push people to the FireTV.
Is that any different than those who refuse to subscribe to Netflix, HBO or Showtime, etc...
I would have no problem subscribing to a company that provides access to TV shows, movies etc.
I would have a big problem subscribing to Jeff Bezos' attempt to control the entire commercial world.
Top Gear was worth about $80m a year to the BBC in selling the series globally.
Source: http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/07/30/former-top-gear-ho...
I understand the show runner also left with them.
Unfortunately, they can't copy the format of TG due to copyright (eg game-show formats are protected copyright subject matter). It's possible they'll come up with something even better, but more likely to be like Titanfall after CoD.
Perhaps they used a lot lf contract staff anyway and won't be a big deal.
Either way, with Andy Wilman in charge and undoubtedly a bigger budget, I would say it will improve, if anything.
That said, I doubt it will be a clone of TG. They probably have had some ideas they have wanted to try, but couldn't because of the BBC and because they wouldn't be 'top gear'.
I want to use their app more, I even buy seasons of shows off of it, but the persistent problems make me hesitant to buy more.
Most of his "controversies" would not even be news in the US. A person on a humorous show cracking a racial/ethnic joke is on TV every night.
We have nothing like OFCOM where you could actually get in trouble with the government for being highly offensive either.
And celebrities behaving badly is typical, so assaulting someone probably wouldn't lead to any major public outcry for his firing. It's not as though Sean Penn has trouble finding work.
My opinion? The people who care about such things aren't likely to be watching shows on Amazon anyway, so they would never even see them. Compare to the BBC where someone could be flipping through a channel and find it accidentally.
"America", perhaps? Clarkson is racist and violent; Jackson is a human being with human body parts - the latter crime is far more severe.
http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2015/mar/13/univisio...
And even then, it depends on audience. FOX News personalities express far worse sentiments daily and mean them than Clarkson ever has. Their audience is fine with that.
Paula Deen was supposed to be a nice upstanding older woman showing people cooking. Even the claim that she might have used a racial slur in the past torpedoed her career.
Clarkson's public image, and one that he intentionally curates, is one of being bombastic and politically incorrect. He can crack whatever jokes he wants without it going to hurt his career in the US. In some respects, Howard Stern might be a good comparison of someone with a fairly similar type of image.
Can't find much more beyond that. Some wanton racism on their trips, played on stereotipes and misunderstanding, but critiquing vietnamese cousine or italian way of driving doesn't sound openly racist.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9247835/J...
suddenly one point out what other airport are doing calling it by its name and he's racist.
> ...the only possible solution is to introduce a bit of racism. Nobody likes a racist. Nobody likes prejudice. It has no place at work, at play, or in government. But at Heathrow airport? Hmmm.
By the way, you are mistaken if you think that a large number of other airports systematically engage in racial profiling as a matter of policy.
moreover if the main smoking gun is a quote by Clarkson himself I'm not really impressed, I mean, what Clarkson DID matters. He's a comedian and you hear far worse things coming out; I mean Colbert said far worse thing and I don't see people screaming and kicking at his door.
at the end of the day one has to distinguish what's fiction and what's reality. can you blame Clarkson for being in character on it's own satirical column? it's not like it happened in an interview.
This is not the policy of the TSA. The only people who advocate such a policy are racists like Clarkson.
>can you blame Clarkson for being in character on it's own satirical column?
It's not a satirical column. If you think that Clarkson is doing a Colbert-like performance, you've just got the wrong end of the stick.
>moreover if the main smoking gun is a quote by Clarkson himself I'm not really impressed,
What kind of backwards logic is this? Clarkson's own words are (obviously) the most reliable source of information regarding his beliefs.
Both incidents the BBC have him for he was coerced into situations (singing a song he didn't want to sing because he only knew the racist version from when he grew up and didn't want to say the word, then being kept up for 24 hours, and made to drink profusely as part of a show stunt) he wasn't comfortable with. They were looking for reasons to cancel such a popular show because it had such a disparate budget from the rest of their shows and that was upsetting parties within the BBC.
The scripts are written by the cast & the script editor (Richard Porter).
> made to drink profusely as part of a show stunt
It's well known that Clarkson is a fan of the booze to the point where you could reasonably categorise him as a functioning alcoholic. He recently publicly announced after the death of Charlie Kennedy that he was giving up. So I'm pretty sure that no-one was making him drink..
He likes to paint himself as the last bastion of free speech, innocent victim of the facist Big Brother Corporation, and a lot of other things inbetween; but the reality is that he's just that embarrassing Uncle who you have fond memories of when he used to let you smoke his cigarettes and drive his car around the block when you were 10, but now you're all grown up, going through your contacts, deciding who to invite to your wedding; you just skip past because you just know he'd end up shitting in the font and asking anyone with a tan what weddings are like where they're from.
I genuinely don't understand why people think his sacking was part of some grand BBC conspiracy. He was good for ratings, they paid him well, it was in both parties' interests to keep him around as long as possible. Remember we're talking about the most popular TV show in the world here.
Unfortunately he put them in a situation where they really had no other choice.
There are many more than two incidents!
> They were looking for reasons to cancel such a popular show because it had such a disparate budget from the rest of their shows and that was upsetting parties within the BBC.
Surely they could have just pointed to the money it made back? "We give it huge budget because it earns more money for us than anything else we produce".
The BBC has a history of poor management of talent. See eg Chris Evans getting sacked from the Breakfast Show after making demands.
Every quote from those three is internally in their voice and cadence. I find that quite amusing.
Anyone have some links or keywords I could look up to read more about that phenomenon?
Perhaps this could be likened to Howard Stern moving to satellite radio. Is he as popular as he was when he was "free." The once self-declared "king of all media" is rarely talked about now.
Is it fine for me to call Roy Chubby Brown lazy and stupid and unfunny because of his bad jokes?
Is it fine for me to ask people providing me content to try harder to be funny, rather than just flinging shit and calling it a joke?
Still, implying that Amazon is ok with "racial slurs" is not quite the same than saying that Amazon is ok with "bad comedy".
I'm pretty sure some of the existing Amazon Prime original productions will fall into my personal "bad comedy" category already.
In the business world this is a startup.
In comedy, I guess that means being a comedian.
From what I can tell it's about the same as startup-land, there's a power law distribution where a few comedians get really wealthy, a bunch of people get by, and tons of folks fail outright.
Given the very long road that folks travel to become widely known and "successful" I'd guess that the jokes they tell are in some way reflective of society's preferences.
But hey if you know better than all these folks, have at it!
I get the whole "I want to tell people why I'm not buying their product" mentality and whatnot. I feel the same way a lot of times. But complaining in general isn't going to get you anywhere and even if this HN thread totally blows up, it's not going to sway anyone at Amazon or Clarkson, Hammond or May. It'll literally never be on their radar.
So at this point you're complaining for the sake of complaining. Fair enough! I do it all the time too.
But you're not really telling them anything, since they'll never see it.
The recent github 'retard' ban is a nice example of forced political correctness.
It is not a non-issue. And I suggest you would not consider it a non-issue if it were the word "nigger".
All of them appear to be no more than play on words, there is never any ill will or desire to humiliate anybody.
The reason these particular jokes get noticed is because some people are obsessed with crying foul when certain groups are offended. He could make 10 jokes about the English/Scotts/Welsh and nobody would bat an eyelash.
"...never any ill will or desire to humiliate anybody" - this is the sort of very flimsy faux-naivity that I come to expect in these debates - especially on technical forums with a very literal-thinking crowd.
"He could make 10 jokes about the English/Scotts/Welsh and nobody would bat an eyelash."
Context. You cannot ignore context as much as you try. In the modern day, the English, Scots and Welsh are not typically discriminated against for their racial "traits". Certainly not in any serious way.
Derogatory racial terms are not ok.
Likewise, I'm not aware of asians being discriminated in our modern day. That's really the point - I don't have a problem with Clarkson's play on words because to me it's a meaningless sound. And the fact that an asian guy might be called slope/slopes (?) and that's a feature of the bridge is a pun - hence it's funny.
They probably make an average of one joke/pun for 30 seconds of the show. Some of them may be unfunny or crude - but unless you can actually demonstrate ill will (simply alluding to the naivette of your interlocutors isn't sufficient) - it's ok.
However, publicly calling Gordon Brown a "one-eyed Scottish idiot" certainly was intentionally offensive, which you can conclude from the Royal National Institute of Blind People being offended by the comparison, the Scots being offended by the comparison, and the association of idiots probably being somewhere trying to prepare a statement about being offended. Guilty as charged.
Did you know the word idiot used to refer to someone with a mental handicap? They stopped using it because it was being used as an insult and was no longer politically correct. The new politically correct term was "retard", which of course became an insult as well, so the term had to be changed again. And these days, no one would cover their child's ears if someone said the word "idiot" on television.
Either everything can be made fun of or nothing can. Where do we draw the line? Family Guy makes jokes about Catholics vs Protestants, but South Park gets censored when talking about Muhammed. Chris Rock can say "nigger" in his comedy, but no one else can? Gabriel Iglesias is "fluffy". Can I, a city-dweller, make jokes about rednecks like Jeff Foxworthy?
No one watches Top Gear and says "oh hey it must be okay to commit violent acts against people who are different than me". At worst, it's a tasteless joke that some might find funny and others might roll their eyes at. Or maybe people like Clarkson are removing the power of the word much in the same way words like "idiot" or "lame" are no longer pejoratives against the handicapped.
EDIT: Also, not saying he's not a total arse sometimes. Just saying that I think in this particular scenario he got kind of shafted.
The 'slopes' thing was racist though.
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-nonra...
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/jere...
Here's a useful Graniad opinion piece about Clarkson: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/08/not-eno...
It's a persistent pattern. Whether that should affect what he's allowed to publish is another matter, but it's probably wrong to say he isn't overtly racist.
Some people say "it's just a joke" - fair enough. Here's Stewart Lee responding much better than I can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CnMQ4L9Pc
And he certainly doesn't exclude himself/his own type, as there's something negative about the UK practically 30 seconds.
As for "it's just a joke", yes, it is. Pretty much every successful comedian uses ethnicity/race sometimes. Bad ones rely on it entirely (Ex: Carlos Mencia). But as something that should be off limits for humor? No.
Also, when all the presenters are white, it's a little hard to take this "we make fun of everyone" line seriously. If a white British person makes fun of white British people, that's obviously a different dynamic to a white British person making fun of people lower down the social pecking order.
Oh, and then outside the show, there's the times Clarkson has explicitly advocated racism:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9247835/J...
For that matter, they've done entire episodes about how terrible the UK is at things, like the British Leyland cheap car challenge.
If he made those comments about anything else, someone would call them offensive. I find that double standard and the concept that you can't make jokes about anything far more concerning than the content of his "controversies" aside from the punching.
(Or Germans, for that matter.)
Clarkson makes fun of everyone, himself more than anyone else (call that privilege). That is why he is funny.
>and when it is pointed out that he makes fun of white people
He doesn't make fun of white people as such. Making fun of Germans for being German is not the same as making fun of white people for being white.
The more I read from this guy, the more I like him.
It's sort of a fine balance - we can't have everybody on tv making fun of gypsies and mexicans. On the other hand it feels too sterile when nobody can say what 90% of the people think.
I'm glad he exists.
I think a lot of people like to think that 90% of the population have the same rather twisted prejudices as them.