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In my experience from communist Czechoslovakia, western stuff is not actually prohibited. It is illegal for peasants, but communist elite can enjoy all luxuries they can effort.

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Chechoslovakia was never actualy communist. Like in Poland, Eastern Germany and several other countries, it was socialist.

Under the Ninth-of-May Constitution, the Czech government, that was controlled by the Communist Party, nationalised all industrial and commercial businesses that had more than 50 employees. That is communism - the means of production were owned and operated by the state.

The difference between socialism and communism was all in the "communist" propaganda. All east-european countries were "socialist" with the almost utopian goal of becoming "communist". It's a label that could be changed at anytime by the leaders. Technically, according to the doctrine, socialism was "everybody contributes based on ability, and receives based on the contribution", while communism was: "everybody contributes based on ability, and receives based on their needs", which was utopian. Western countries did not (want to) grasp the difference, so they just called the eastern block "communist".

Under those definitions, isn't most of "socialist Europe" not really socialist? I mean a lot of countries have got a safety net and welfare programs and all that which seemingly are standardized, not indexed to your previous income. So you pay in with taxes that are based on what you make (and thus you contribute based on ability).

Or is the idea that you keep a portion of your pay after taxes the "receives based on contribution" portion?

You have to understand that those were just slogans, with almost no practical equivalent. Corruption was rife, and taxes were almost unheard of. You get a salary (cash) and pay for goods with cash. No taxes on either end or annual tax return. Unemployment was officially inexistent, (you could go to jail if you had no job), therefore no welfare programs existed. Socialist parties in Western Europe had no clue about what they were wishing for.

I'll throw in the response that the "socialist" countries of Europe are socialist to varying degrees, and I don't think most of them actually consider themselves socialist. Unlike the US, most western countries think things like a social safety net and universal health care are good ideas in and of themselves, and do not necessarily ascribe any particular political ideologies to the ideas.

It was ruled by communist party and according to our leaders, communism was reached in 1936 in Soviet Union and in 1951 in other eastern countries.

I think you are confusing it with other countries such as Nazi Germany, which was ruled by National Socialist German Workers' Party ;-)

in a same was People's Republic of China has its own common people at its heart. Or Democratic People's Republic of Korea is... you get the rest ;)

That's actually true. Communism was suppose to be the next step after socialism. In communism we would abolish money, and people would take from stores only according to their needs. So we were taught in elementary school :)

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