The tech boom may get bumpy, but it will not end in a repeat of the dotcom crash
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I agree that valuations are abnormally high (although not higher than those during the dotcom bubble) and that a correction is due soon however, this time really is different in the sense that the damage will be largely contained to those with enough money to throw down on startups (VC/PE funds, institutional investors). For better or worse, tech startups are staying private longer, holding private IPOs and generally staying away from the scrutiny of the public market while at the same time insulating the general public from a crash.
What will largely suck will be the uptick in unemployment not just from failed and failing startups having to lay off employees cause of lack of funding, but the associated kill-off of the entire services-for-startups industry. Did I mention the lack of funding? That'll also suck for newcomers who came at the wrong time.
Yes.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9608422
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7503066
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9147958
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9258798
http://blogmaverick.com/2015/03/04/why-this-tech-bubble-is-w...
I think you are seriously underestimating the financial consequences of billions of dollars in capital vaporizing or otherwise being sucked out of the financial system.
The 2007 financial crash wasn't largely contained amongst the buyers and holders of mortgages in Florida, Las Vegas etc; it was felt clear across the globe.
I don't imagine any "correction" will be on that scale, but I also wouldn't describe it as self-contained.
(I wonder if the first comenters actually read the article...)
The tech sector in general is undervalued with a few select companies unfortunately having absurdly high valuation and getting all the press.
While I do not fear a tech sector crash I do worry about how far down those who get all the attention will drag everyone else.
As long as a private company can getting to the next round of funding it doesn't matter if it's actually even close to becoming a sustainable business. So you can basically keep extending a "false" business in that all you need is convince someone to believe you can become even bigger than you already are, but without showing it through your actual revenue.
As a publicly traded company this wouldn't ever work. Amazon isn't making a profit but it keeps growing revenue wise (for now) if that somehow stops then it will get hit too.
At least thats my take on it.
What I am saying is that on the current private market you can keep a company with a fundamentally unsound business in suspended animation for a long time and keep enjoying growing valuation as long as you can convince investors that they will be able to raise the next round. I.e. without it actually having proven that's it's a sustainable business.
Most of the unicorns happens to be from the valley and as far as I can see have more or less the same investors behind them indicating at least to me that it's not purely based on being better at betting on the right companies.
This is a very different feedback-loop than the public market where your ability to make a profit at market expectations often is is king and where this ability is measured every quarter.
Maybe I am paranoid but thats what I see. And yes I haven't gotten my head around a proper way to formulate his intuition yet.
Private valuations aren't unique in this aspect. All prices are based on expectations of claims on future cash flows.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/09/07/the-inter...
My point is that the latency that exist in privately funded unicorns can end up creating a bubble exactly because the feedback loop is too slow.
That's why the fact that there are real revenues and profits driving everything this time matters. Most companies show promise to bring in cold hard cash, if they're not doing so already.
That is in no way diversification. And the correlation of investments within the tech world, when shit hits the fan, will be 1.
>real revenues and profits
Which of the companies are making profits?
Look, I'm not calling for Tech Crash 2.0 either, but some people seem oblivious to how these things go down when they....go down.
Hence the "in a way." And your argument makes the assumption that tech, as a category, will collapse.
> Which of the companies are making profits?
"Tech" is a very big thing, but if we're picking random companies there are a few divisions:
Public: Google makes money hand over fist, Amazon tries not to make profits (and almost accidentally brought in $20m last quarter) while their revenues grow exponentially. Facebook brings in billions, Twitter, the dark horse of this category, is still bringing in >$1B/yr in revenue.
Ok, but those are the titans. Let's look at the YC companies: Airbnb, Dropbox and Stripe alone would make up for every dollar YC ever spent investing.
But even locally, almost every company I talk to is choosing to raise money. Meaning, they have enough revenue to stay afloat, but elect to raise money to grow more quickly. These are companies raising little $2m rounds but are either profitable or could be if they needed to, but elect to grow quickly instead of become cashflow positive. (Admittedly, my company does not fall within that category).
There may be overvaluation, especially at later stages, but the investments being made assume there is. They assume that some (or most) will fail, but that the others will make a multiple.
Some money will be lost, but as long as the entire category of "technology" doesn't collapse altogether, it's not like 1999 again. And given the amount of real profits and revenues in the category of "technology," my contention is that there won't be, as Marc Andreessen puts it, an "earth-shattering kaboom."
AirBnb...maybe? I don't know, it's extremely popular, but faces interesting regulatory risk. I think it'll do okay.
DropBox and Stripe? Competitive spaces. Maybe they make it, maybe they don't. I can't see them being "moated" (in the parlance of Buffet) leaders in their respective businesses. But I've been wrong many times.
>"but as long as the entire category of "technology" doesn't collapse altogether"
I guess that's our point of contention: I think it does go down together, rational or not. We just witnessed something similar in the oil industry. Everyone collapsed, whether they were big, small, hedged or otherwise not directly affected by the collapse in oil price. That happens in a panic because nobody can tell the extent of the risk.
>And given the amount of real profits
I agree that, as oposed to DotCom 1.0, companies are generating revenues. But, again, where are the "real" profits? Google, sure, but they are transitioning from growth to value. Facebook's are minimal. I don't think any other company you have named is making money. Granted, it doesn't necessarily matter for "early stage" behemoths like Uber or AirBnB, but that doesn't make the profit claim true.
But so what? The tech industry won't contract by the same percentage, but it can certainly contract by the same total value, and that sort of thing can trigger a widespread economic downturn, the economy is tricky that way. And there's more that's overvalued than just startups today.
Software isn't constrained like other things, but it can run into cultural opposition or government regulation. We'll need more raw materials than we have on the planet soon. But assuming we can reach out past the atmosphere for resources, we don't know the limits of automation and specialized, productive programs.
We might run into resource issues before we hit the productivity plateau, but whether it comes from Silicon Valley or somewhere else, we might be moving toward a lot more growth than we see today.
No danger of that happening.
In a finite world with finite resources and non-zero energy costs, there is a guaranteed upper bound for expansion. That is an unavoidable fact.
The best known quote on the subject puts it really well: "Anyone who believes exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist." - Kennet Boulding (1966) [0]
0: https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Economics (Search for "growth".)
Yes they are currently correlated, but not strictly. Growth is measured by what people spend, if people spend extra money on entertainment, and less on cars but overall more. You would see less physical resources being used. There's no strict rule linking the two.
Software isn't constrained like other things...
cough cou-SOFTWAREPATENTS-ghSorry, just had something in my throat there.
Except he isn't actually quoting from the play because that quote and the whole Alec Baldwin character don't exist in the play. They were added when Mamet converted Glengarry Glen Ross the play into Glengarry Glen Ross the movie. It's a really interesting story, actually.
http://www.avclub.com/article/why-iglengarry-glen-rossi-alec...
“I’ve been totally determined to be on the other side of that [highly competitive, market-driven] dynamic by being here, because success in software follows a power-law distribution. It’s not Coke and Pepsi and a bunch of others; it’s winner take all. Second prize is a set of steak knives, and third prize is you’re fired.”
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/05/18/tomorrows-advan...