Why I give my students a ‘tragedy of the commons’ extra credit challenge
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It makes a huge difference. Most likely, it's a percentage low enough to indicate that the 10% threshold is carefully chosen. Otherwise he'd tell us.
This is evidence that he has an agenda to promote (that people are too selfish), and that the facts don't support his agenda (most people actually cooperate). So he omits the facts.
The point is we don't know and can only speculate, just like the students in the experiment who don't have the signal either. It kind of sounds like you want to believe the professor has a bias, and are trying to speculate evidence to support that belief. Even in the article he talks about how picking 6 in the first round isn't viewed as selfish, just that this experiment demonstrates tragedy of the commons.
at 10% (depending on class size) each student realizes that their noncooperation goes a good distance of the way towards that 10%
at say 50% threshold, each student thinks their noncooperation matters less, and thus is even less likely to cooperate
at least that's what I'd hypothesize, I suspect there is an interesting paper somewhere that explores this very phenomenon
1) Less than 10% will follow suit, in which case you'll get a 6 point boost, and you'll have secured an advantage over 90% of your classmates.
2) More than 10% will follow suit, and noone will get anything, in which case you will have no advantage over your classmates, and neither will any classmate have an advantage over you.
If you select 2 points, then either:
1) Less than 10% will opt for 6, in which case you'll have no advantage over at least 90% of the class, but some members of class may have a 4 point advantage over you, or
2) More than 10% will opt for 6, in which case the outcome is identical to choosing 6 in the first place.
Because the "points" have no intrinsic value except in comparison to your classmates (unlike a true tragedy of the commons, where the scarce resource such as food, etc, has real value), there is no reason not to roll the dice.
EDIT: Many people think the fact that the course is "not graded on a curve" makes a difference. It does not, at least considering the class in isolation. I took courses in college where an A was pretty much a dead certainty, and other courses where getting a B was actually quite an achievement. In all cases my performance within a course had to be judged based on my performance against the other students within that same class.
This is where your logic is wrong. The professor is not saying the class is graded on a relative scale (for example, top 10% of the class gets As). If everyone gets two points, and it bumps up everyone's GPAs, then of course it will benefit them all, especially in comparison to people who are not in the class.
Note that, of course, this would be fixed by just making GPAs decimal numbers out of 100, the average of all of your actual, numeric grades from each course (multiplied by credit hours?). You can divide it by 25 if you really want the weird 4.0 scale for some reason.
this would be true if the course was graded on a curve, but the article makes clear that
> the course grades are not curved.
On reflection, this might make me stop and think about it. It's supposedly anonymous, but it can't be anonymous to the professor, can it, or how would the points be awarded? This professor believes he's simulating the tragedy of the commons, so to act rationally and take the 6 points might cast you in a negative light in his eyes, which might not be worth the 6 points after all.
This is why I find voting hard to justify if you view it pragmatically (even though I do it). It's mathematically improbable that my vote will make any difference. Then why do it? Sure, if everyone thought that, it would be bad. But it doesn't matter what other people do: your vote still won't matter either way. It's such a huge pool of voters that it's literally impossible to put yourself in a position where your vote makes a difference. Basically, it's important that people vote. But it's not important that a particular person votes.
Can anyone convince me why I in particular should vote in an election of a quarter billion people? Are there any reasons other than following idealistic principles? I mean, following principles is important, but I was wondering if there are more pragmatic arguments.
Huh?
If everyone's vote carries the same weight, then in a large pool, everyone's vote is equally meaningless. So, logically, if my vote is almost certainly not going to cast the deciding ballot, then I should stay home. And so should everyone else.
If everyone stays home, then all it takes for my candidate to win is for me to go to the polls. All of a sudden, my vote is the most meaningful vote in the entire election!
"Everyone's vote counts equally" only applies to those who actually, y'know, vote.
Or, try this argument: The premise of voting is not that it matters whose vote tips the scales. The premise of voting is that the candidate who gets the most people to vote for him or her wins. So you only need to vote if you actually care who wins. And if you do care who wins, you don't actually care about the relative contribution of any individual vote, including your own.
Some people say, "well, if everyone who thought like you voted instead, they could make a difference." Okay, fine, you're right, I'll vote instead then. I do, and it's still logically equivalent to not voting.
I mean, obviously we should all vote, but it just always seemed weird to me that society relies on everyone performing an individually inconsequential action.
"No snowflake in an avalanche ever feels responsible." -Stanislaw Jerzy
Note that this is fixed by just averaging your actual grades out of 100 to form your GPA, instead of mapping from a 0-100 range to an enumeration to a 0-4 scale then averaging the results.
Even in the scenario where everyone is a rational actor (ie, fantasyland), effectively communicating to a group of > 20 people and obtaining unanimous consent is an exceedingly difficult problem.
Collusion isn't possible because there is no penalty for breaking an agreement, and the signals it creates (everyone is picking 2) only makes rationally self-motivated individuals more likely to break it.
That's a real surprise. The 2 points option is the safe one, so everyone should go with that. Sure, I could assume that all (or most) of the other students think so and just get the 6 points myself. But then again, chances are that the other students think the same. So let's just go with the safer 2 points.
The experiment, IMO, isn't valid. In RL tragedy of commons, the selfish don't really suffer that much .. it's usually everyone else that does.
I've had teachers offer various concepts like this over the years. One gave out simple vouchers for various points as awards for "fun" "games". I asked him if I applied ten points toward a 97/100 exam, would it cap at 100 or go to 107? He told me to sell the voucher to someone who needed it more.
Best lesson I ever got.
So, a 20 person class has 2 6pt slots. You take the bids and collect and hold the money. Grades are announced and then you hand out the money or give it back to the original bidders in case of betrayal. The spoiler is basically denying the points and cash to everyone. I get the feeling the identity of the spoiler would be found, if for no other reason all the innocent folks showing their papers. I hope the spoiler is graduating and not coming back because that type of crap is remembered.
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Its not often someone makes a public declaration that they desire to remove themselves from their peers. Good to know for the rest of the students on any assigned group projects.
[edit: dammit parent had a valid point - ah shucks]
If I were in the class I'd propose a weighted lottery where everyone had a chance to be one of the sixes but those with worse grades had a somewhat better chance. While there might be disgruntlement over the weight, I'd guess it'd be less severe than if someone that an entire fairness factor was being ignored.
An interesting questions would be what to do if someone issued an ultimatum to the group "give me one of the sixes or I will ruin it for everyone". I'd think in that case every move ends with no one getting any points.
If you think that's a safe option, you've clearly never dealt with large groups.
Actually, I'd say that increases the validity since they do it even tho they know it is more likely to have negative consequences than RL.
Suppose you choose the 2 and the class was actually disciplined enough that the points weren't lost. Then you might think that there might very well be a small group of students who got 6 additional points because they were greedy and you were not.
If students underestimate the risk of all points getting lost, they might in turn overestimate the "risk" of getting less than others if they play it safe.
"But many students choose the seemingly selfish option. Why? Perhaps to increase their own grades, or perhaps because they fear that they will be taken advantage of. No one wants to be the chump that chooses fewer points when they could have had more."
off the top of my head, I wonder if it was a particularly small class
though I could imagine a lot of other potentially relevant factors
10% is too easy to hit. Do 3 or more students need the 6 rather than the 2? Why should I choose the 2 if it won't do me any good?
In any class I teach, there are generally 10% on the line between grades that requires that I take into account a little more than just scores. Did they do all the homework? Did they improve on assignments or were they blowing them off? etc.
Given that 10% probably need the 6 and not the 2, this is likely to never work.
I had a tragedy of the commons that I hadn't intended. I had an extra credit programming assignment, but there was a catch--the students had to write the tests for the automated tester. If nobody wrote tests, nobody had the chance to get any extra credit. They were allowed to collaborate on the tests, but not the solution.
Everybody complained bitterly when nobody wrote tests.
My response was not terribly charitable: "This is extra credit, folks. Not charity. You all had two options.
First, write the tests yourself. Yes, writing tests is time consuming, but not horribly difficult. Some students started, realized the amount of work, and stopped. However, once somebody writes the tests, everybody get to benefit.
Second, encourage someone else to write the tests for you. Did any of you talk to the students most likely to write tests? Did any of you encourage these students to put in the work if you couldn't pull it off yourself? Did any of you offer to compensate them for their valuable time?
Many of you have been repeatedly asking for a group assignment since the beginning of the semester. THIS WAS A GROUP ASSIGNMENT AND YOU FAILED. It simply worked out that freeloaders weren't guaranteed to be carried by the best students. The best students realized the amount of work and simply opted out since they already had enough points.
Welcome to the real world. Figuring out how to get someone to do something that they don't really want to do is a fundamental problem of life."
In a paper score, assuming 100, 2 to 6 points just doesn't mean much. 6 points is greater than 5, it could take me from 84 to 90! I'll go for the gusto and try for 6. 2 points just doesn't make any difference, and I wouldn't feel any better getting 2 points.
Can someone enlighten me as to why a 90% break point? Why not for example 50%? Is it because 90% introduces some level of collaboration or vice versa?
Sans collaboration or any other useful information (people I may already know in the class, etc.), I would say at best you have a 50/50 chance of a total stranger choosing the option that is better for the common good. That number is based on it being college age students. If it were the general public at large I would estimate at least 60% would choose the more personally beneficial option.
Am I just extremely pessimistic? Please give your thoughts.
So the final conclusion I had == highly likely 0, but a very small chance of 6.
2 points were statistically ruled out the moment I heard 10%.
I see how the thinking re: screw it though also is valid. Thanks.
> I would say at best you have a 50/50 chance of a total stranger choosing the option that is better for the common good.
It depends on factors such as the student's current grade. I would argue you are more likely to choose 6 if you have a lower grade.
> If it were the general public at large I would estimate at least 60% would choose the more personally beneficial option.
Here is an related experiment. Choose N random people, and offer 2 choices: $50 or $200 and run the same experiment.
Here is an interesting question - are people less "greedy" if the prizes/points have a greater span? Such as instead of 2 points and 6 what about 2 points and 20 points.
I think the experiment is interesting any way you think about it.
If x is big enough to trivialize 4 points, I am pretty sure no one would choose it (or at least fell well below 10%). For example, if Richy Rich was in your class and offered $1million to EVERYONE as long as NO ONE chose 2, I am quite certain that even the most selfish actors would not write down 6. If he offered 50 cents than I'm pretty sure some people would. Binary search and you'll know how much a point costs.
(apologies if you commented before my edit)
in 6 months 4 points on a random test will be completely forgot.. might as well game the professor that is trying to game you
This new article is from the lecturer's point of view.
People are more likely to respond to social pressure, than to appeals to "do the right thing." Valuable lesson for startup marketing... and maybe even pricing.
I suspect this is why hatred and resentment are part of our make up.
Maybe if we could get back to small villages of european descent we could have a higher quality of life.