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IIRC I think "PermitRootLogin no" is now the default on most distributions. Debian at least: https://debiantalk.wordpress.com/2015/04/27/debian-8-no-root...

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I was curious, so I checked different distros. Debian-based distros set `without-password`, and others use the default `no`.

  * Arch Linux (openssh-6.9p1-1): #PermitRootLogin no
  * CentOS 7 (openssh-server 6.6.1p1-12.el7_1): #PermitRootLogin yes
  * Debian 8.1 (openssh-server 1:6.7p1-5): PermitRootLogin without-password
  * Fedora 22 (openssh-server 6.9p1-2.fc22): #PermitRootLogin yes
  * openSUSE 13.2 (openssh 6.6p1-5.1.3): #PermitRootLogin yes
  * Ubuntu 14.04.2 (openssh-server 1:6.6p1-2ubuntu1): PermitRootLogin without-password
  * Ubuntu 15.04 (openssh-server 1:6.7p1-5ubuntu1): PermitRootLogin without-password

Thanks for checking, but I'm not sure you're correct. AFAICT setting the default to "no" is not due for official release until later this month[1]. Maybe some of the distros are patching the upstream default directly in their source (seems bad idea to me), but I at least checked the CentOS version you referenced and it appears to default to "yes" in the source (and the config excerpt you cited is commented out.)

I looked into OpenSSH's commit history ([2],[3],[4],[5]) and it looks like some waffling and/or release-process side-effects resulted in the man page in 6.9 saying the default is "no", but the actual code retaining "yes" (confirmed in the portable 6.9p1 tarball). I kind of hope I'm wrong somehow; this is a bit disturbing.

[1] http://www.openssh.com/txt/release-6.9 [2] https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable/commit/88a7c598a... [3] https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable/commit/d921082ed... [4] https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable/commit/47aa7a0f8... [5] https://github.com/openssh/openssh-portable/commit/7de4b03a6...

Ah, you're right. I read sshd_config(5) on Arch, which uses 6.9p1 and says the incorrect default is "no". I assumed this was the case on other distros.

So to correct my previous post (I can't seem to edit?), it should be, "Debian-based distros set `without-password`, and others use the default `yes`."

Thanks for the correction!

Thanks for the reply. On editing, I'm not sure exactly how it works, but posts on HN become uneditable at some point.

I came across this post[1] and bug comment[2]. If I'm understanding correctly, Red Hat will not follow the OpenBSD upstream on this! So I would guess CentOS and Fedora will also keep allowing root login, with password, by default.

[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/package-announce/2... [2] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=89216#c26

Just got set to the default on OpenBSD, so it should be shipped in 5.8.

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