Isolated people in Sweden only stopped using runes 100 years ago
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And local dialects are anything but unusual, they appear even in not so isolated regions of small european countries. Which is a lot less likely place for a local dialect to survive than northern Swedish forest is.
> And local dialects are anything but unusual, they appear even in not so isolated regions of small european countries.
The point is that it isn't a dialect, it's accepted by linguists as a separate language. Even though the Swedish government refuses to accept that, though in less painful ways than when they tried to beat it out of the schoolkids (which they did until the fifties).
The trite phrase with some truth behind it that's often written in these discussions: "a language is a dialect with an army".
- Though it's just another alphabet, it was independently invented. This is pretty cool. Alphabets (and related Abjads) have only ever been invented historically very few times and t hey tend to be variations on a few earlier systems. It's not at all obvious that this is a way to encode sounds and many more cultures use syllabaries or abugida (2 of the three native Japanese systems) or some kind of logograph system (like Chinese). Even Tsalagi ended up turning Latin characters into a syllabary.
- Runes look like they're uniquely useful for scratching into wood, just like various scripts in Mesopotamia (like Ugaritic or Akkadian) work best when pressed into wet clay with a stylus and Arabic, Chinese and Korean work best written with a brush. It's interesting how different systems have kind of an optimal medium to work in.
For example, Danish Futhark uses the character for 'm' that's used as 'ph' in Etruscan (later to become greek 'phi'), obviously not a morphological change but a repurposing.
Another example, Etruscan 'sh' seems to have disappeared due to confusion with a simplified 'M', which is similar to 'e' in Elder Futhark and 'i' in Gothenburg Runes.
These may have simply been "loan" glyphs, adopted to fill some phonological need, in the way that English doesn't have letters for 'sh', 'ch' or 'zh'.
Most of the morphology seems wholly unique in early Runic scripts, hinting at their uniqueness. But again, as Sequoyah demonstrated, loan characters often are used in more "obvious" ways like as a syllabary.
There's later forms of Runes that borrow more heavily from Latin scripts, and these also seem to be more regularized and simplified over the less standard earlier scripts.
I was always amazed by the linguistic diversity in Italy, much of which is anything but isolated. Even in the plains of the Veneto, you can ride a bike far enough for the locals to tell that you're from a different area (without even looking at what's written on your jersey!).
But then, isn't it the same with English in England? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhninL_G3Fg
https://www.google.se/maps/dir/Oslo,+Norge/%C3%84lvdalen/@60...
For example, Mirandês in northern Portugal.
It looks like this, http://frolesmirandesas.blogspot.de/
Icelandic, by virtue of having been near completely isolated for hundreds of years, is also the modern language most closely related to old norse, in much the same way American english is closer to the english of the enlightenment than modern British english is.
Þeo ðus þinks ðis þick þistle's þorns þreaten Thomas' þumbs.
> because they speak an unique old Norse tongue
They don't speak Old Norse, they simply didn't take part in as many changes as in Swedish. Älvdalska still sounds pretty Swedish and we have other North Germanic languages (Icelandic, Faroese) that also kept features that Swedish dropped.
> The runic script was the dominant written language
The runic script is a script and not a language. It's just another alphabet
> flooded by [...] Germanic words
It's a Germanic language in itself, maybe they mean low German loanwords.
I could well be wrong here (please correct me if I am).
Wasn't Old Norse divided into Eastern and Western? With Icelandic and Faroese related to Western Old Norse whilst Swedish descends from Eastern. This would imply that Älvdalska would be related to Eastern Old Norse - hence not totally unique but still of great interest.
Nowadays we have nation states and boundaries. We have a buraucracy, publishers and broadcasters located in the capital that influence the language spoken in that country. 500, 1000, 1500 years ago it wasn't quite like that. Things were more fluid.
Älvalska descends from whatever was spoken there, which was presumably closer to what was spoken in Uppsala at the time than to whatever was spoken in Hamar (in Norway some way west of Älvdalen). But there wasn't a ban on travel to Hamar, nor a state that lent prestige to the dialect spoken in the capital.
I've only had a few courses about Old Norse, that were mainly about Old West Norse, so I'm not really an expert in this topic. I think we pretty much know the differences between Old Western Norse and Old Eastern Norse through the texts of that languages that were preserved.
> because they speak an unique old Norse tongue
They don't speak Old Norse
Note that "old" in the original quote isn't capitalized. They aren't saying they speak Old Norse, but a unique (and somewhat older) Norse tongue.I may have the details wrong. I read about it in school after all. I love the story though: http://norse-mythology.org/tales/odins-discovery-of-the-rune...
Edit: like I wrote above, this is the STORY, ie the cultural myth about how they came to be. The STORY shows how they were THOUGHT OF as more than a practical language.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/u5lazarus/images/d/dc/U4...
In the area right below the title: "The Lands of Britannia"
sub infix:<ᛈ>($ᛣ, $ᛤ) {
$ᛣ + $ᛤ
}
my @ᚠᛁᛒ := 0, 1, * ᛈ * ... *;
say @ᚠᛁᛒ[100];
Don't know that I'd particularly recommend it, though! from unicodedata import name as ᚾᚮᛗᚨ
ᛊᛈᛚᛁᛏ = str.split
def ᚢᚾᛒᛂᚺᚱᛂᚮᛊᚨᚾ(ᚥᚮᚱᛑ):
ᚮᚢᛏ = []
for ᛍ in ᚥᚮᚱᛑ:
if 'ᚠ' <= ᛍ <= 'ᛪ':
ᚾ = ᛊᛈᛚᛁᛏ(ᚾᚮᛗᚨ(ᛍ))[-1]
ᚮᚢᛏ += [ᚾ]
else:
ᚮᚢᛏ += [ᛍ]
return ᚮᚢᛏ
Apologies if my Old English is crappy, I used Wiktionary.One would expect it to be possible to #define most of the keywords and functions one would need using the C or C++ preprocessor, though the actual #include and #define macros would still be in Latin script.
Unfortunately, the C standard (Annex D of http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n1256.pdf) does not allow runes in identifier names, but it would work for characters explicitly mentioned in the standard and supported by one's C compiler.
Here's my attempt:
#include <stdio.h>
#define _ᚠᛟᚱ for
#define _ᛁᚠ if
#define _ᛖᛚᛊᛖ else
#define _ᚱᛖᛏᚢᚱᚾ return
#define _ᛗᚨᛁᚾ main
#define _ᛈᚱᛁᚾᛏᚠ(...) printf(__VA_ARGS__)
#define _ᛊᛏᚱᛚᛖᚾ(...) strlen(__VA_ARGS__)
typedef int _ᛁᚾᛏ;
typedef char _ᚲᚺᚨᚱ;
_ᛁᚾᛏ _ᛗᚨᛁᚾ(_ᛁᚾᛏ _ᚨᚱᚷᚲ, ᚲᚺᚨᚱ *_ᚨᚱᚷᛒ)
{
_ᛁᚾᛏ _ᛁ;
_ᚠᛟᚱ(_ᛁ = 1; _ᛁ < _ᚨᚱᚷᚲ; _ᛁ++) {
_ᛁᚠ(_ᛊᛏᚱᛚᛖᚾ(_ᚨᚱᚷᛒ[ᛁ]) & 1) {
_ᚱᛖᛏᚢᚱᚾ("Hello, %s\n", _ᚨᚱᚷᛒ[_ᛁ]);
} _ᛖᛚᛊᛖ {
_ᚱᛖᛏᚢᚱᚾ("Goodbye, %s\n", _ᚨᚱᚷᛒ[_ᛁ]);
}
}
_ᚱᛖᛏᚢᚱᚾ 0;
}
Clang and gcc both give errors of this form: rune_c.c:16:2: error: non-ASCII characters are not
allowed outside of literals and identifiers
_ᛁᚾᛏ _ᛗᚨᛁᚾ(_ᛁᚾᛏ _ᚨᚱᚷᚲ, ᚲᚺᚨᚱ *_ᚨᚱᚷᛒ)
^
I used https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runes#Runic_alphabets as a reference.For other languages, one should be able to use Ruby metaprogramming to make it possible to write Ruby using nothing but runes and punctuation. One would have to define runic methods to replace the functionality def, class, module, and related keywords, but tricks like instance_eval make that possible.
Also my personal view has always been that the catholic church actively waged a holy war to convert the nordic heathens. That any bad press the vikings received was simply propaganda from the victors who wrote the history books.
A hundred years ago it would be close to 100% christianity. The runes was simply a traditional way of writing. Norse mythology is of course a lot of fun but it's sad how little we know of it and it's traditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astur-Leonese_languages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragonese_language
This languages are romanced derivative and could you think as brother/cousins of Spanish
I thought runes were like pictographs, each one had a meaning, and maybe several readings or sounds.
various hieroglyphic writing systems are pictographics. runes are not
It's not so.
It is simply the name of an alphabet, much like you have Cyrillic, Latin, Hebrew, Coptic, etc. You have Runic.
That's all. It's just the name for an alphabet.
1. Runes are like magik (see my site runesaremagik.tumbler.com)
2. Who cares? Elvish.
3. Who cares? Klingon.
4. Who cares? ... everybodycares.js. It'll make your life as a front-end full-stack developer engineer designer hacker a lot easier by using stuff you already know to make new stuff with runes.
5. Heresy happens when you aren't sufficiently vigilant. Check your corners. They're coming for us.