As Beijing Becomes a Supercity, the Rapid Growth Brings Pains
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Where Jing-Jin-Ji really excels (and the New York Area really struggles) is in regional train travel. The regional high speed rail connecting Beijing to Tianjin; Shanghai to Hangzhou, or Suzhou is affordable, frequent, and quick. Affordable: last time I was there a one way ride was about $6 Frequent: they run at least every hour, typically every 1/2 hour. Quick: Trips between Cities like Beijing and Tianjin or Shanghai and Suzhou are about 30-40 minutes, and more important use stations in downtown locations.
I don't know if there are any economic impact studies done on this, but the effect to me seems pretty profound. Not long ago, It would be a full day trip to visit Beijing from Tianjin if you are fortunate enough to have a car, and almost impossible to do in a day otherwise. Now it is almost thoughtless to go between the two.
Honestly, if I had to come up with just one innovation that has shaped NYC the most, it has to be the 4-track subway. It not only gets you around faster but makes the system enormously more resilient to outages and anomalies. The fact that the subways are 4-track has shaped Manhattan and the outer boroughs in amazing ways.
All the more disappointing all the new construction will be traditional 2-track :(
So it does seem on paper that China has Amtrak beat by an economic factor of 2-3x, but this is also before you factor in local purchasing parity and so on.
Let's at least compare apples to apples, though.
The reason of the difference I think is the method of building tunnels. The NYC subway system is build long time ago, when cut and cover is acceptable. The width of the tunnel thus can be very wide, especially considering cost. Make the tunnel twice as wide may only cost less than 50% more (I'm guessing the number). Modern tunnels are mostly built using TBM, in which case the cost of making the tunnel twice wider may cost more than 100% because of the affects of multiple TBM working side by side may be hard to predict and hard to coordinate. So in this case it may be better to just build a regular line first, and than build a express line in a different route.
I'm not a civil engineer, so my reasoning may be completely wrong.
And for those who don't know TBM - tunnel boring machine
Beijing has the second biggest subway in the world after Shanghai, and it carries the most people daily with over 9m riders. They are starting several more lines this year:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beijing_Subway#Future_lines
I believe the first low-speed maglev will be running this year. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_S1,_BCR
The NYT article makes Beijing sound like hell but they seem to be doing a great job of building the world's leading cities for the next century.
In NYC they're still trying to figure out how to get more buses into Manhattan from New Jersey.
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2015/03/8564...
NJ-NY commutes are naturally self-limiting. They reach some kind of equilibrium of pain and then people start moving away. The Chinese government moves people around by fiat, so they don't necessarily benefit from the same forces.
I found the Beijing subway to be far nicer than the ones found in major American cities. No surprise since it's much newer.
I know there were some issues with Muslim separatists, but they didn't seem to even rise to the level of US terrorism threat. We do airport theater but not bus/subway theater, even in NYC.
God forbid if you ever have to transfer at xizhimen; I never thought it was possible to wait in line so long to take a subway.
If you'd read the article, you'd know that rather than "moving people around", the CPC has in fact been trying to keep people out via a residency permit system. They've failed, as the lure of jobs and lifestyle draws people to the large cities. This article is actually about them reacting to the very real market forces and embracing the influx of people, rather than trying to stop it.
I swear, many commenters on HN haven't updated their knowledge about china for 30 years. "Moves people around by fiat" indeed.
Farmers are still routinely moved off their land to make way for urban construction and nearly always miss out on the profits from the rise in value of said land.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Gorges_Dam#Relocation_of...
The US has vastly different laws and practices than China when it comes to forcing people to move. Relocating a million people in this day and age, would simply never happen. Even the correctly maligned practice of using eminent domain for corporate benefit is exceedingly rare (even though it gets a lot of press). In fact, the US has the exact opposite problem - the inability to expand cities like San Francisco because the people won't allow it.
It's a city with thousands years of history, capital of 5+ ancient Chinese dynasties, top 2 leading China universities, Hollywood of China, ...
How ignorant could a person be to make a comment like above?
I know ther's Qing, Ming, and Yuan (Dadu). Not sure about any others.
Man, that seems inefficient, fiats can hold like 3 people tops
(bad pun, sorry)
Traffic jam backs up 10km outside Beijing (http://bitly.com/1FSIJPB)
As well as pollution that have increased risks of cancer and premature death in Beijing (http://bit.ly/1GMIL7H)
It sounds like you're from NY; I wouldn't discount NY so quickly, without having visited Beijing to see for yourself. I've been to Beijing; I would never live in that place.
The pollution is bad, especially in the winter. We are in summer now and it is merely not good rather than really bad. Today it even rained so it's a bit fresh out. There are plenty of cities that are much worse: Cairo, Tehran, New Delhi, ...
I feel bad for those who have to work outside (crossing guards have it bad), but life expectancies in Beijing are quite correlated with lifestyle and income, just like anywhere else. If their is a dent in life expectancies, we won't see it for another 20 or so years.
I'm not trying to be dismissive here, as I'm fairly sure both Beijing and Shanghai will power ahead some point in the near future, but just pointing out that the challenge of moving around ~10m people/day within a city isn't quite as novel as the article makes it sound -- and both Tokyo and Seoul have, by and large, made it quite tolerable to boot.
Compared to the 20 years it took the Big Dig, or my own home city which has been talking / debating / purchasing / cancelling / assessing / suing re mass-transit, it really is an impressive achievement.
China seems to have a loose definition of "city". This sounds more like a densely populated area, with multiple cities connected by high-speed rail. Chongqing is another example -- it's billed as one of the world's largest cities with 30M+ people, but it's really a province that China has officially designated as a city.
Also, high speed rail in China is not a commuter option: the train stations are outside the city, so you already have to spend an hour or more to get to them. Tianjin and Beijing are connected by high speed rail, which means you'll spend more time commuting to and from the train stations than you spend on the train.
I am not at all eager to go back. I know there's lot's o' money sloshing around there, but I also don't care to spend my time in an airport smokers cage, which is basically what that place is.
Retail and services are probably at least half but that would reduce it a lot.
What I think makes sense is for all cities to decentralize and convert to a mini-city/village model. Sort of a more urban better planned modern take on the suburb. That way retail and services can be more decentralized while most office work is telecommute/co-working/local housing.
Another idea is, maybe you can stack land/housing plots, so people could still have a house, but it would live in a vertical structure like a narrow parking lot with large balconies. This would dramatically reduce the size of the residential/village areas so commutes would be shorter.
Maybe a bunch of mini-city/villages in a circle around a big one in the middle, for weekly meetings or something. Then change the culture so weekend days rotate for different people to reduce contention.
I know these things are not easy to change though.
You are thinking like a Western. China is different. There is no such a thing like individual good bandwidth Internet connections in China, for a reason: it has to be controlled.
In China only companies could have good Internet connections, and even so it has to be controlled in so many ways that it makes them ineffective, inefficient for personal communication.
Imagine every single moment of your working life is recorded and stored and could be used against you in the future out of context. Chinese workers tell you personally things that NEVER will tell you on record. There is also the issue of the high ambiguity of Chinese language, the same expression could mean totally different things.
Chinese government employs millions of people spying and censoring communications between people.
The thing the Chinese government fears the most is people communicating with other people freely, and that is what telecommute really is.
I have only worked telecommuting for years now, using mainly video calls. Japan and Korea are great places to do it, but China is not, and probably won't for a long time.
The Baltimore-Washington corridor in the US has over 50 million people. However, it has no single metropolitan government.