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DNM users almost universally loathe CP, and no market has ever dared to permit sales.

These users are willing to do so many other illegal things, but the thought of being known as a pedophile or supporting pedophilia in any way, is completely abhorrent to them? Interesting datapoint.

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> These users are willing to do so many other illegal things, but the thought of being known as a pedophile or supporting pedophilia in any way, is completely abhorrent to them?

I'm pretty sure the distinction is that voluntary transactions have no victims, and DNM folks care more about morality and ethics than legalities.

It is interesting, isn't it? You might expect there to be a 'general factor of criminality/antisociality/violence' akin to how we find a general factor of intelligence in psychological things, but as far as I can tell, drug use or sales seems to be largely orthogonal to other kinds of crimes - most of the DNM users will never buy credit card dumps and rip off retailers (carding is disliked by a lot of DNM users, although not enough to totally ostracize it like CP), most DNM users will never download CP, most DNM users will never beat or rape someone, etc. I have no issue buying and using illegal drugs, so I'm a criminal, but I'm not the same kind of criminal as, say, the Vallejo kidnappers (which BTW if you haven't read the complaint, it's an amazing read if you're into true-crime stories: http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/vallejo.pdf ).

This probably has a lot to do with why the War on Drugs has been such a failure and why legalizing does not seem to unleash crime waves.

just cause someone wants to get fucked up doesn't mean they want to fuck other people up too

Morality is not binary. That someone is fine with some things that are illegal does not mean that they are fine with everything that is illegal.

It's quite usual for career criminals to have a detailed and complicated worked-out ethical system, where that is a victimless crime but that is reprehensible.

>It's quite usual for career criminals to have a detailed and complicated worked-out ethical system

Not even that complicated, pretty much summed up by "no women no children"

I think you will find, that apart from the paedophiles themselves, they are universally loathed. Probably more so by criminals.

The last place a paedophile wants to be is locked up in prison.

The largest use of DNMs is for the sale of illegal recreational drugs. Regardless of your feelings on the matter, I hope that it's clear that crimes like that fall into a different ethical category than child pornography.

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