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Yeah, there'll always be companies like that but as more and more large orgs, government departments, etc. migrate all their email over to Gmail, I'm starting to consider that as a niche. Those orgs are also disproportionately likely to want to build their own thing because they have a hope of making the economics of scale add up.

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True for big corps, although it's quite strange given they're usually the most paranoid ones on security.

But I was more thinking about techie SMBs to whom running a chat/collaboration server is not scary, better in terms of flexibility and cheaper than paying someone to handle it.

There are standards for E-Mail though. So you can move your mail around different providers.

With your chat system it's a lot harder. You can't move your yammer content into slack easily.

Is XMPP a standard? I know that everyone just ignores it.

It is IETF standard.

Yep, and Slack supports it, along with IRC.

Cool I guess that one can just transfer easily between vendors then?

Not sure if XMPP covers that, I'm guessing not, but you can export your message history as a dump of JSON files.

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