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@xmj posted the whole (private) IRC discussion online. Here's the link: https://archive.is/9KGyX#selection-9.6580-9.6583

I don't like to post private conversations, but this has been reported in other communities and it is an important piece of the puzzle to crearly understand the situation.

This has to be discussed, because I think we need to fix the gender gap, but this kind of "fundamentalism" is not healthy. This doesn't seem to be the right path, but maybe I could be wrong.

Curious as to whether that was an open channel.

Also https://www.freebsd.org/community/irc.html

I would rather you not repost things that were said in confidence. But if the above is true, I think it's up to them to explain / put the conversation into context.

Simply slapping down evidence on the table really isn't helpful when parties can't explain their side.

Unless you're part of FreeBSD core or the FreeBSD Foundation, I don't have to air anything. Dude chose to make things public, and the mob descended, so I responded & that's where we are. If you think I'm going to elaborate on part of an incomplete log that violates the Developer Policy for FreeBSD, you are mistaken.

Core and the Foundation will deal with this, and I'll make a public statement after they do. But until this problem has been resolved, there's no point in explaining it to a bunch of randoms that aren't even a part of the project. I give 0 fucks about the court of public opinion when it comes to dealing with an abuser in an open source project that I've been a part of for over a decade.

I agree with you, in fact I clearly said that I don't like to do this kind of things. But this is basically everywhere now, with 2-3 keywords in Google is easy to be found.

I posted it because it shows how bad is this and how it has gone far from by being a simple "contrast of opinions". One of the 2 guys involved posted this online, I think this deserves to be discussed and explained.

And what is your take on the conversation? What am I looking at?

I believe she has a point when talking about how bad is the current tech scene for women. It's still a kind of "men club".

The environment is not friendly, it's getting better, but I can't consider it genuinely equal. In the opposite I think the way she's trying to pursuit the goal is wrong and counterproductive. There are many other ways to achieve a goal like promoting gender equality in tech scene, fighting with insults and expose (barely) fundamentalist opinions on Twitter would not help.

There are some problems with your post: when is it equal, when there's a % of women in it? Why do you think the tech scene is bad for women?

So what? Since when thinking, that Kotaku and Polygon are harmful to gaming, has become a bad thing?

And how does that impact the QUALITY of his/her code?

What you are doing there, dear Randi, is by definition "harassment".

What is the relevance of a person's tweets to the operation of an open source project? What could have been said that's so wrong?

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There is no need for ad hominem.

What exactly defines a 'gamergater'? Unless he actively harassed someone or acted in a way incredibly unbecoming a highly respected BSD neckbeard relic, I don't see why it should have any bearing on his commits.

This is called "freedom of speech".

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