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What? Are you comparing feminism to misogyny and racism?

There's a movement of people who call themselves "Social Justice Warriors" (SJWs). They engage in activities that they claim are in support of race, gender and class equality but are in fact often racist or sexist. In general they seem to be hateful people damaging the causes they claim to fight for.

The #KillAllMen, #KillAllWhiteMen hashtags on Twitter are good examples of some of their activities.

Their backwards activism is often self-branded as "feminism", giving birth to things like #WomenAgainstFeminism. The definition of feminism has become sufficiently corrupted thanks to these people that women themselves are fighting against it.

I have a feeling it's their backwards "feminism" your parent commenter was referring to.

A group? To my understanding, "SJW" is a pejorative naming from the other side of the scale.

Apparently you're right. I have seen instances of members of this group self labelling as an "SJW" though.

In practice, when someone refers to themselves as an SJW they mean they are the sort of person who's likely to be labeled that way. Similar to "bleeding heart liberal" a generation ago, I guess.

Perhaps we should not take hashtags as a serious form of debate.

There are idiots on the internet. They have opinions. It's alright.

Like any other -ism people are always debating what TRUE -ismists believe. eg. Is Rand Paul a libertarian? eg. Is Obama a liberal? In general most people have opinions that don't fit into neat little boxes.

> The definition of feminism has become sufficiently corrupted thanks to these people that women themselves are fighting against it.

The concept of feminism becoming discredited started happening way before the term "SJW" existed. Both from outside the movement (See: the straw feminist trope) and within the movement (from a small minority of crazies).

> There's a movement of people who call themselves "Social Justice Warriors" (SJWs).

No, there isn't. "SJW" is an insult used by their opponents. (Some of them might choose to adopt it, but most as far as I know do not.)

> The definition of feminism has become sufficiently corrupted thanks to these people that women themselves are fighting against it.

I've seen that claim, but I'm extremely skeptical that it's a significant phenomenon.

I don't find mind difference between the conduct of 3rd wave feminists and a lot of the misogyny and racism I see online.

Every time I see this accusation against 3rd wave feminism, I realize the poster has no idea what 3rd wave feminism is.

2nd wave is the one which frightened insecure men, and had some strong anti porn and anti sex messages from a few proponents. 3rd wave, in short, is why don't we all get along, sex is awesome, and if we help men with some of their problems with toxic masculinity, then everyone is better off.

edit: Here's a good & brief overview of feminism's waves - http://www.pacificu.edu/about-us/news-events/three-waves-fem...

yeah all that needs to happen is men need to be fixed for women to be happy. it works for dating, why wouldn't it work for society?

I'm hoping this was voted down for the snark, because if you disagree with the point, you are really lacking in an understanding of how humans actually work

> if we help men with some of their problems with toxic masculinity

And this is why nobody takes you seriously.

every 'ism has its bullies...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3119088/March-femi...

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