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I don't get the hate for Objective-C. I think it does a better job with the "object-oriented semantics bolted on to C" requirement than C++, having extensively used all three. Something about brackets and semicolons speaks to me. Who knows. Maybe it's just me.

Now, having said that, maybe Swift is better for the use case, but it's not a reflection upon ObjC IMO.

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I love Objective-C and once I saw it, I stopped programming C++. I'm not a masochist.

I think Swift is interesting and might be really great-- too early to tell for me.

But Objective-C has done well, and especially when paired with Apple frameworks has delivered the best platform for building mobile apps ever seen.

Have you looked at C++14? It's a completely new beast.

I think newer versions of C++ are going in the direction of Haskell: a lot of additions that make functional programming much more pleasant to use such as lambdas, variable templates, etc, but I couldn't remember any new C++ feature designed for traditional object-oriented programming. So to me it's entirely understandable that object-oriented aficionados would find C++ less and less likeable.

Better OOP is definitely not the direction the language is going. C++11 added override and final. C++14 had no OO features. C++17 may get UFCS (i.e. f(x, y) == x.f(y)), which is either an OO feature or another step away from OOP depending on how you view it.

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