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"The bizarre thing is a huge amount of effort and time and money goes into researching the tech, like the Kinect tech and scanning the bodies, and there's always this one line that hardware manufacturers - whether it be Microsoft or anyone else - say and that's 'we can't wait to see what happens when it gets into the hands of developers.' Now if Apple had said that when they introduced the iPhone, I don't think we'd ever end up with the iPhone! What really should happen is that they put a similar amount of money into researching just awesome real world applications that you'll really use and that work robustly and smoothly and delightfully.
"They should spend as much money doing that rather than just on hardware tech and saying, 'Okay developers, we'll leave it to you.' If you look at the cases where technology has worked well - touch is one of those, and Wii Sports and motion control; Nintendo didn't introduce motion control until they had Wii Sports. You weren't just playing a few demos. I just hope that for the Holo stuff that they really choose an application and make that sing. That is what transforms a piece of tech from awe inspiring gadget that you try a few times and show off to friends into something that you use as part of your life, and that's really what we want technology to be. And that requires just an awesome amount of design to be put into the software, not just the hardware."
Source: http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2015-01-22-molyneux-wa... via http://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/01/23/mololens-molyneu...
Sadly, pushing the hip video is much easier and cheaper than building the products, and it makes you feel good about yourself. Kind of the corporate version of this psychological phenomenon: https://sivers.org/zipit
If you are responsible for developing a new technology, you can claim success if you release something that works as advertised, even if nobody actually uses it ("it was ahead of its time", "naysayers poisoned the market", etc.). Since there is no way to tell ahead of release whether it will succeed in the market, your project and, by extension, your position within the company creating it, are secure. Much, if not all, of the blame can be externalized.
On the other hand, if your goal is to release a usable product, you've just massively increased your personal exposure. First, you have to become very opinionated because any product that tries to please everyone generally succeeds in pleasing nobody, so that means there will be people who hate it, often before it is even released. Second, it is usually possible to tell if a product is useful before it actually releases (if you aren't putting blinders on yourself), so you can find yourself in a position of failure before release, a failure that you cannot shift to anybody else.
Part of the reason the iPhone succeeded was because the person who, ultimately, was leading the project was the CEO. He wasn't worried about what his boss thought, so the entire team could focus on the complete application. But that was only part.
The other reason is that the product, the way the technology would be used, was part of a feedback loop that influenced the technology itself. The advantage of taking on all that risk of failure is that you end up with technology that is better, technology that is more suited for solving real problems.
Instead of a new computing paradigm, it turned into a very expensive head-mounted camera and not much else. Something GoPro had nailed at 1/10th the price point and without the creepy factor.
I haven't been dissuaded from buying all unproven tech gear thankfully! Preordered the Apple Watch (as I have had wonderful experiences with the iPad on launch day and the iPhone) ... very satisfied with it.
I'm on the fence about HoloLens. While I have full faith in Apple and zero in Google, Microsoft is in the middle. The tech is extremely compelling but I Microsoft is known for incremental improvements .. I'd rather not get stuck with gen 1/demo hardware when a lot better stuff may be around the corner.
These are all ATAP projects revealed during a DEVELOPERS conference, so that there can be a collaboration in getting the software in place before general market release.
The overhype is why Google stopped doing device announcements at IO, because all the oversized tech blogs would grab the tickets just to be there to oh and ah at the new device, but not come up with new code and uses for the tech showed. Rather they would often pan what was clearly meant to be early prototypes as if they were the finished product.
Google, and to some degree Microsoft, is doing things the old PARC way. Create stuff, show it off, and if they can't find a use for it maybe someone else will.
Apple on the other hand sit on things until they have a use for it, and if they never find a use for it nobody else gets to see it and find a use for it.
In the end the PARC way of doing gave the world things like Ethernet and the GUI. Personally i prefer this way to the Apple "take my ball and go" approach.
But the press sadly love the coy ones, as they are so much easier to write clickbait about.
Google needs a clearer product pipeline, right now there's "we're not showing this to the public", "arbitrarily special people who are mostly press can see it" and "it's out in the wild". That's too flat for the public and doesn't really engage the developer part of the pipeline.
I/O is a public event, it's broadcast worldwide, live. It's the most consumer-level/press-level developer event I've ever seen outside of WWDC.
Of course, I was pretty young at the time, so this might not be an accurate recount of events (or I may be mis-interpreting Molyneux's central point), but I think that giving a blank canvas to developers to play with can be just as interesting, especially when entering a new space--you just need to be ready for some turmoil along with the surprising uses of the tech.
That's not to say developers can't add to that baseline, which obviously they have in a major, major way with the iPhone. His point is you have to make it useful out of the gate.
Peter Molyneux tanked his latest two game products in a big awful away - the community isn't happy at all: "Curiosity" and "Godus" are in a gray area that some may label as scam. he recently left 22Cans, the studio of his latest two projects. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Molyneux (little outdated info) , http://www.4players.de/4players.php/spielinfonews/Allgemein/... , http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2476895,00.asp , http://www.gamespot.com/articles/peter-molyneux-protege-quit... , http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/05/28/peter-monlyneuxs-22ca... , http://www.gamespot.com/articles/curiosity-winner-once-promi...
So maybe he begins a new era that resume his glory era of the 1990s Bullfrog games that one has in mind when one hear his name.
Also it would be hard to find the value in any comment on Hacker News, if value is tied to their individual achievements.
All in all i find myself thinking that Jobs early on had Woz (hell, in a sense Jobs piggy backed on Woz).
And similarly in the gaming world there was ID software and the combo of Carmack and Romero.
I kinda wonders who it was in the background at Bullfrog that did the grunt work that made Molyneux look good.
We didn't really know what to do with the kinect (beyond ripping off Wii games). The Wii vs kinect is a bit disingenuous, the Wii was a whole new platform which needed launch titles of course Nintendo was going to have games ready. Kinect was 'just' a new peripheral.
on a serious note, what happened to Google Glass??
regardless of downvotes, I am convinced that all these 'efforts' are solely aimed to stay relevant, Tech is changing at a pace that no one could have predicted. Even Apple is paranoid. Who had thought iphone 6+++?? I don't mean it's uncool. But just see how things are happening fast and quick. It's hard to catch up.
Google has more failures in recent years than any other company, because either they were too late to the party or too early. i.e Google Plus / Google Glass etc etc.
iPhone was not 'too early' it was just in time. that's why it was a major hit. Give me something that I would start using today(). If it's practical and useful it is gonna be hit. Else beyond the headlines it would only be biting the dust in the labs.... a privilege that until now, solely belonged to Microsoft
Here are some really interesting things I learned about e-textiles during my project
- The hard/soft interface is really hard.
At some point you need to interface with electronics and in many cases this will be a failure point. Also, normal electrical contact methods like soldering just don't work.
- Stretch is really hard.
Most of the fabrics shown don't look like they have much stretch, but I wanted something that could wrap around robot joints. Turns out that calibrating a sensor for this task is very hard to model. Even without stretch calibrating and maintaining calibration can be hard.
- Metal oxidizes
I'm hoping Google has taken care of this but many of the thread types I had at the time were silver based and would degrade (become much more resistive) over just a few months.
- Getting high resolution sensors is tricky.
Getting a ton of conductive threads wired up in a matrix means you're trying to do lots and lots of hard/soft interfaces. Automating bringing all those threads from one grid direction into a tight layout to match with a board or other metal conductor will be a very interesting manufacturing challenge.
I'm surprised and excited to see Google take this on as I still feel there is huge potential for e-textiles in softer and more sensitive robotics.
(1) Hannah Perner-Wilson (who did all the hard work)
(2) Check out the instructable (http://www.instructables.com/id/rSkin-Open-Source-Robot-Skin...)
I did some work with stick-on stretch conductive textiles, both silver and polymer-based (Eeonyx), and something I always wished I'd had was a high bit-depth A/D converter so that I could work with a ton of headroom to account for the inevitable swings due to environmental changes, degradation, etc. in software.
I'd love to see someone produce a 16bit+ A/D converter front-end for Arduino or something. I actually purchased all the parts for wiring up one of these, but didn't have time to finish: http://www.linear.com/product/LTC2444. Looks like some people have been working on it: http://dangerousprototypes.com/2012/07/02/interfacing-the-lt....
Maybe not the most ethical use of the tech, but sounds fun!
* Leaving work but forgot your keys? The electromagnetic sensor in your pocket will vibrate your phone to let you know the moment you step out of the office.
* No more "three tap check" for keys, wallet, phone. Every time you leave the house your clothes will check that for you.
* Two-factor auth is a lot easier when you can authenticate by wearing special underwear
* Feeling cold? Your clothes can probably detect that and adjust the thermostat in your car or home automatically (including heated seats!)
Lots of cool ideas, but these ideas have been floating around for a while now. Every piece of wearable clothing I've seen that had integrated electronics has been both bulky and gaudy. Maybe a concentrated focus like this will bring it to the next level.
It's interesting that even Google didn't post a single use case for it...I can't think of one off the top of my head either.
"We developed innovative techniques to attach the conductive yarns to connectors and tiny circuits, no larger than the button on a jacket... LEDs, haptics, and other embedded outputs provide feedback to the user, seamlessly connecting them to the digital world."
"In other news, Las Vegas Casinos become the primary buyer of backscatter X-ray machines."
Casinos have a simple solution, they just throw out anyone who does suspiciously good for a long enough period of time (probably politely if they don't have evidence of counting).
If you'd like to read about some of the more modern advantage plays available in casinos, check out http://apheat.net
The real advantage that advantage these high functioning autistic players have is that they usually don't show any emotion while playing blackjack. Also, These players are usually smart enough to know that "counting cards is stupid" and hate being compared to Rain Man.
In poker, on the other hand, being able to read other players, and not being read in return, is useful.
With decency, they could at a minimum have acknowledged his existence, creations, influence, and inspiration.
Joseph Marie Jacquard was a genius and Google should not use his name without proper acknowledgement. Shame on Google, and on downvoters.
The other programming languages you mention I don't know as much about -- Python users do seem to be regularly paying homage to Monty Python, so I'm quite happy with their intellectual and cultural honesty.
As for Turing, how could it ever be acceptable for someone to name a product after him and not explicitly mention him, his work, or his importance?
I love computers, software, and the people who made it possible, from Jacquard to Turing via Babbage and their heirs, friends, emulators, and more. I include a number of Ancient Greek philosophers in the lot. We have a responsibility to honor history and our ancestors; Google should, too. It's not a difficult proposition. Not doing it is unbecoming.
1) it's just a google search away :)
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2) it will be mentioned by many articles and comments on the web, exhibit A being your comment :)
Anyway, I think you are both over-reacting and being needlessly negative. I mean, really, Jacquard is not the most marketing friendly name, they picked it because they love his work and now we're all talking about him so relax everyone.
Seriously though, do you actually believe scientists at Google or even managers want to cash in on an obscure scientist when they already have adword and adsense? How would that make any sense? This was obviously a tribute, come on. There may be tons of reasons to criticize Google but this is not one of them.
Also, if you could see who downvoted you, you could perhaps start a little war, so I don't think that such a conversation system would be better.
Because mkempe is accusing Project Jacquard of appropriating a historical figure's name for their own gain. Somehow, it seems mkempe figures that the act of paying homage cannot be done without a citation or fair use disclaimer.
It's one thing to suggest adding a note about the historical Jacquard, another to take umbrage at an innocent name. I really don't think that sort of response should be encouraged.
Otherwise, I suppose someone should tell Project Euler that they need to explain who Euler is on their homepage.
Likewise, if you've heard of Jacquard or his invention, then the homage here is obvious as well. Neither case requires a footnote explaining the reference.
It's advertising and manipulating people's semantic networks for fun and profit, nothing else.
His website lists lots of English-language materials about him, here's one interview with him in Russian, for Russian-speaking HNers: http://vozduh.afisha.ru/technology/vy-budete-zhit-vnutri-kom...
If you're not aware, competitive fencers already wear metallic jackets to detect when one has been hit by the other's weapon. If this could make them cheaper/lighter/more durable/more accurate or improve them in any way, that would be pretty cool. I'm guessing you could even track the specific place that they hit.
It's actually a weird feeling - on the one hand I love the progress we have; on the other hand, I feel sad that I can't get to be a part of it. It also seems to me that any cool idea I have tend to become a mass-market product before I can get around to start prototyping.
Yeah, I know, the real world. Real world sucks :(.
Then bam, a few months ago, someone makes a big deal out of making that a reality. I was very confused.
Most new things seem obvious and relatively easy to implement until you try to actually implement them.
I guess I'm just whining about the hardware world equivalent of "every idea I have has already been done ten times on the Internet by people smarter than me" sentiment, which - from what I learned over the years - is shared by many people here on HN.
Remember, 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration, etc.
I always considered FOMO to be a fear of missing out parties or Facebook status updates, both of which I fortunately don't have [i.e. fears, not parties and updates]. I never thought about looking at my emotions related to projects from this angle.
I know life is not fair. I just don't think the wealthy(meaning corporations mainly), shouldn't be able to file patent after patent just because they have the resources.
I just have a feeling their are wealthy entities scouring the internet, and society looking for original ideas/concepts in order to patent, and rush to market? Some of these entities are probally on HN? Yes, we all subconsciously steal ideas, and maybe even thought? The whole nothing is truly original?(B.F. skinner spent a lot of time thinking about this?).
My point is I know people steal other people's ideas. Can we prove it? Most of the time no--unless you're a Wilkelvoss? Do I have a solution--not really, but I have a suggestion.
I believe every poor American(lives under the federal poverty level) should get one free shot at applying for a patent. It could be tied to the Social Security number? If the patent was porely applied for, or denied; so be it. The poor would have one chance to protect their original invention. Just one! I know the negatives. My biggest concern is their would be too many people flooding the Patent office with their brilliant invention. I don't know how to handle that one, other than they would have to prove they did a thorough patent search before applying.(I don't know how you could verify this, or determine the applicant is compentant enough to even begin a proper search.)
Like I stated earlier, I don't know if a program like this is feasible. I was just kinda taken back a few years ago when I looked into the fees for a patent/trademark.
If you dissagree with me on this fine, I know it sound crazy.
How about this then. A patent/trademark application would increase in cost after a predetermined number of patents have been applied for? For instance, after the 300th patent, for a company like Apple, the fee for the 301 patent would be high enough to hurt? It just might prevent rounded corners?
(To tired to edit. Sorry, not feeling well.)
This future is inevitable and all the AMAZING use cases such advances bring, but I can't help but wonder how we can keep these operating for the "good" and not the "ugly" of tech and monetization.
Some people will, but that's their loss.
As long as it's a free society, we'll each individually have the choice to stay away from bad tech.
Paying one of my local telco monopolies too much money to watch TV full of ads is already a losing value proposition for me, so I don't have cable TV.
I sure as hell am not going to get a TV that is connected to the Internet and has a microphone, much less shares information with advertisers. Same thing for a couch.
I would like to have a smartphone that doesn't spy on me. I can't, because nobody makes one. So my personal preference doesn't matter; my only choice is between either accepting the spying, or not having a smartphone at all.
Now I get to look forward to enjoying this exact same dilemma when I buy furniture! Hooray.
That's not possible in normal market dynamics. When only shitty products are available, someone will start competing at the high end.
The reason it doesn't, and won't, happen with smartphones is because the telcos have [government granted] legal monopolies. And they function as government bureaus. Look up what happened to the CEO of Quest. [1]
It is quite possible in normal market dynamics.
It is not possible in ideal market dynamics where both perfect competition and the rational choice model hold, but where people are not -- contrary to the rational choice model -- perfectly knowledge about the actual utilities that they will individually realize from different market alternatives before making transaction decisions, its quite possible for bad-but-well-marketed-to-create-the-illusion-of-quality products to crowd out actually better products.
If you pay attention to the world around you, you see that time after time, better products win out over worse ones. It's practically common sense.
But you have your head in the clouds and your fingers in your ears.
I'm not interested in arguing about this with you---take it or leave it, but this is all I have to say.
Yes, lots of real, normal markets are reasonably well approximated by the rational choice model, even though its quite obvious that it is not literally accurate. That's one reason why its an important model.
Lots of real, normal markets are not reasonably well approximated by the rational choice model, and the elements of the model that are obviously literally false, and the degree to which reality deviates from them in the particular market, are pretty good starting points for understanding why that is the case.
"Normal markets" and "Econ 101 simplifications" aren't the same thing.
My personal bias tells me that can't be without some compromises...
Unfortunately my choices are only a single data point in the market for consumer goods. The choices most other people make with their dollars far surpass any buying power I possess.
Certainly it's worth me doing my due diligence and try to purchase good tech, but at some point the market can and does remove my choices if more profit is made by bad tech.
You mention "smart" TVs. I recently tried to purchase a dumb TV with good resolution and sufficient ports to be used as I desired. I ended up buying a "smart" TV because the dumb TVs offered were all inferior visually. I wish you luck in avoiding a "smart" TV.
You see the same pressures in online video (YouTube ads are getting obnoxious), music streaming (I can't pay Songza to get rid of ads), etc.
In some ways this is a good and fine thing for the market, but at some point one has to realize the market is flooded with bad tech because it makes more money. And I've never known of a market that doesn't optimize for profit.
That's a noble sentiment and I try to follow it as well.
Unfortunately the time is coming when I'll have the choice of being a Luddite or buying the bad tech because that's all there will be.
I already don't own a smart phone because I can't get one that doesn't have a secure or open source baseband processor.
I don't own a smart TV and by the time mine breaks down I'll probably have to go without a television as well.
The choice to go without rather than own and use invasive technology is not that big a deal when you haven't integrated it into your life yet. But giving things up that you've become reliant on is much harder.
Stallman saw this early on and built his life around it. I doubt many of us are willing to go that route.
Smartphone market is flooded with bad tech. Yes, you can still buy decent ones - if you pay for the highest-end ones, but available devices have much less capability than they could theoretically have. For instance, were producers to drop sensor market segmentation tactics (you have a phone model A with sensors 1, 2, 5 and an alternative phone B with sensors 2, 4, 6) and equip at least the mid-and-high-end phones with all the sensors, we could treat smartphone as a sensoric platform and develop tools for bigger userbase.
But smartphones ain't that bad; the older technology, however, is. It's hard to buy decent, durable things nowadays - clothes, shoes, tools. Everything is pretty and colorful and has some cool new features, but nothing lasts more than a season of day-to-day use, even though things made decades ago can last a lifetime.
I used to think that maybe military has decent hardware, only to realize they're a money-making machine now, and vendors cheat on them even more.
So I guess the core observation is: as any market matures, it turns into a race to the bottom, and products quickly become as crap as possible but still good enough to make someone buy them.
Is there a solution? I don't know. Custom-made things is one option, but there's less and less businesses doing that for basic things, and I don't see how I could get a custom-made smartphone at a reasonable (< $10k) price.
Is it the manufacturers because the device gathered it or is it the users because it describes the user?
Currently, from what I have seen, it's usually argued to be the former and not the latter. For there to be saner balance, users have to a say about how this data is used and owned. The "reasonable expectation to privacy" doctrine needs to evolve to match modern age.
Wired (1994)/Mondo 2000 R.U. A Cyberpunk? : https://i1.wp.com/craphound.com/images/R_U_cyberpunk.jpg
Funny to think of a modern 'cyber-punk' extolling the values of paper currency. Guess Wired was off the mark a bit.
...we'll call it 'learning to wear'.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/2015/05/27/what-heck-h...
> It’s almost as if Page walked right into that corner office and flipped the switch marked “Fiscal Responsibility” from the “on” to the “off” position. At that point, Page abandoned Google’s second core philosophy, “It’s best to do one thing really, really well,” and started doing just about everything.
Edit: To the downvoters: Why? Am I wrong? Are you Google employees?
Also, this isn't exactly new...Burton did something similar over a decade ago: (http://content.time.com/time/specials/packages/article/0,288...)
1. http://research.microsoft.com/
2. http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/news/headlines/hyperlaps...
I don't know if I can think of many "showstoppers" but is it really that hard to imagine places where a new input device could be used?
Soft, invisible, cheap (?) touch sensors that are flexible and easy to work with.
Things I'd use this for / would like to play around with:
1. Touchpad on the side of my sofa, so I can use gestures to control TV and media. 2. Touchpad on the side of my headboard in the same material as the rest with a subtle marking on which I can control / dim my lights. Similar things for controlling alarms. 3. Improving children's toys that require buttons now but do so by having hard things surrounded by some padding. I imagine "tickle me elmo" that was able to say "you're tickling my feet!" would be popular. 4. Would this detect my feet through socks? Run a bunch through my carpets, I'm sure I can do some fun stuff with home automation with that by knowing which room I'm currently in. Similarly for that, I'd like to track some of my habits, how long do I actually spend just sitting on the sofa or how often do I really get up from my desk and go somewhere else? 5. Make some board games. Fabric + some metal pieces, all the complex logic could sit on your phone. 6. Better sleep tracking? Do I curl into a ball, starfish, keep rolling about a lot?
Those are mostly just things I'd like to do at home. What about interfaces where you want to present something to other people? I've seen touchscreens at restaurants/bars, would a soft less delicate one work well?
To be honest, I think that you could make an absolute killing selling a t-shirt that had a touch sensitive star-trek looking badge that answers the phone. Not world changing, but I can definitely see that this could be used.
Formatting fix:
1. Touchpad on the side of my sofa, so I can use gestures to control TV and media.
2. Touchpad on the side of my headboard in the same material as the rest with a subtle marking on which I can control / dim my lights. Similar things for controlling alarms.
3. Improving children's toys that require buttons now but do so by having hard things surrounded by some padding. I imagine "tickle me elmo" that was able to say "you're tickling my feet!" would be popular.
4. Would this detect my feet through socks? Run a bunch through my carpets, I'm sure I can do some fun stuff with home automation with that by knowing which room I'm currently in. Similarly for that, I'd like to track some of my habits, how long do I actually spend just sitting on the sofa or how often do I really get up from my desk and go somewhere else?
5. Make some board games. Fabric + some metal pieces, all the complex logic could sit on your phone.
6. Better sleep tracking? Do I curl into a ball, starfish, keep rolling about a lot?
If Jacquard fabric was used on Knyttan-enabled looms, anyone (designers, anyone else) could effectively print/knit one-off pieces of connected clothing.
The future is awesome. :)
Obviously, embedding clothing sensors could collect and deliver tremendous amounts of information about a person and their habits. It's aligned with Google's interests in an obvious way, and it would be naive to think this is lost on the decision makers at Google.
That's not to say it's bad. Google's ATAP program is modeled on DARPA, which has funded many military-oriented research programs that have delivered advancements that extend beyond military applications. Yet all DARPA programs have some obvious or non-obvious military value. I imagine ATAP works the same way, funding ambitious projects that have high potential value for Google's primary business, but also have potential for broader impact.
Perhaps Encryption? Then why does ATAP have Project Vault?
Google is a large company with many businesses. How is Google Cloud Platform related to advertising? Nest? Liftware? Google Docs?
Fact is advertising is cyclical, and Google is aggressively diversifying away from it.
Yes, many tiny, unprofitable "businesses" that contribute little to nothing to Google's bottom line, except through direct or indirect support of the advertising business that generates the vast majority of its revenue.
The Ads business is maxing out, you cant generate 20% revenue growth per year by continuing to have a 97% ads business model.
This "oh, but they're going to use it for ads" meme is pure lazy and sloppy thinking.
If it was in their clothing and if movements of peoples' limbs -- brushing against the fabric -- generated data that could be used to determine what they're doing.
E.g. 80% chance they're currently sitting typing at the computer. Or at another moment, that they're probably washing some dishes. Or what particular task a factory worker is working on.
Please stop. I do not want you or your technology in my life.
Thanks!
Who's hand is that!
Someone's hand. It was someone's hand. Now it belongs to the fabric.