Ancient Scrolls Blackened by Vesuvius Are Readable at Last
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The French mainstream media had many articles on this, notably Le Monde, with added pictures, see (fr) http://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/2015/01/20/des-papyru...
I wonder if we'd be as successful with trashed storage devices today, 2000 years from now.
Text on paper is much more redundant medium, and has much smaller information density.
If this is true, then the corollary is that given say, some ancient civilization of say 3,500 years ago - perhaps the more sophisticated ones used record keeping technology that would become total dust a mere 2,000 year ago - while the less sophisticated ones have records which have survived.
Regarding your statement, maybe Atlantis was such a case. :)
SSDs on the other hand won't last 6 months without power, let alone 2000 years.
Source on that? Has flash memory really gotten that bad in terms of data retention?
I have flash memory in (rather small) USB drives that still work after a decade.
The key, it seems, is temperature change.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9524609
More reassuringly, "one week" would seem to be the worst case scenario of an SSD used near its endurance limit and then stored in a hot environment. Nevertheless, the more reasonable number of 1 year is still extremely short even on human timescales; if SSDs need to be powered up to "refresh" their data, that doesn't really sound like non-volatile storage to me...
Same goes for drama. Discovering any additional ancient play would be completely staggering. We possess only one complete trilogy (Aeschylus' Oresteia) and only one complete satyr play -- an important genre, since it may represent a holdover from earlier forms of the worship of Dionysius that led to what we think of as ancient drama.
It's an awfully good time to be a classicist!
etiology: causation; how things got how they are.
harbinger: forerunner; advance warning. (The etymology is interesting. Originally a harbinger was someone who provides accommodation -- compare the French word "auberge". Then it came to mean someone sent ahead by, e.g., an army to prepare lodgings so that the troops would have somewhere to sleep when they arrived. And then, metaphorically, it came to mean any sort of forerunner.
forensics: = forensic science, meaning the application of science to answering the sorts of questions that come up in criminal trials. (Same origin as "forum"; in ancient Rome trials took place in the public square.) I think gloriousduke really just means something like "scientific investigation into past events" here.
ontology: actually means the study of what exists. (I.e., answering questions like "what kinds of things exist?".) I suspect gloriousduke meant something else, perhaps something as mundane as "the study of actual things that exist". In any case, his second sentence doesn't really add anything much to the first.
So I would translate gloriousduke's comment as follows. "If the universe is deterministic, like a big mechanical machine, then with better and better technology we will be able to do better and better at deciphering the past from its present remains: this thing with the scrolls is just the beginning. Also, I know some long words."
(Note that actually determinism isn't quite the issue. What matters is what you might call "backward determinism", where you extrapolate the future from the past. But it looks as if the laws of nature are kinda reversible, so the two are closely related.)
The Total Perspective Vortex sort of work by that mechanic.
Update function would need to be reversible for that to always work (you shouldn't be able to get the same state starting from different states). And I think it's not the case, at least localy (heat one corner of a metal plate slightly, wait till it equalizes, guess which one it was).
Who would look out for the poor historians?
It would make for a sweet game show actually, have a panel of historians make their best predictions on what really happened at an event, then "roll the footage!"
The reason is that the volume of text from the ancient Greco-Roman world was orders of magnitude larger than the surviving texts. To put it in perspective, the library of Alexandria likely had 500K scrolls [1]. In contrast, the Loeb Classical Library from Harvard (which is generally considered one of the most complete collections of surviving texts) "can all fit in a bookcase or two"[2]. Given that the Loeb texts contain both the original and translations, the volume of surviving texts would fit in even less space if it was only in the original Greek or Latin.
Thus, we can surmise that we have less than 1/2 of 1% of all the works from the Library of Alexandria. Therefore, there is a very good chance that some of the scrolls from the Herculaneum library will be new texts.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Library_of_Alexandria [2] http://www.hup.harvard.edu/collection.php?cpk=1031
From what I remember (it's been awhile), wasn't the villa that scrolls were found in not completely unearthed - with a possibility of more scrolls inside? I think, from what I remember, that these 1800 or so were found in a crate (in a part of said villa) people were trying to rescue while Vesuvius was doing its thing, leaving the possibility of more crates or even a full library still buried. Getty, I think, build a replica of that villa in Malibu.
(sorry, couldn't help it, it's Friday :) )