Most children are happy, but material deprivation catches up eventually
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Before you are a teenager, the things that make you happy and that you value are largely disconnected from money. Happiness is more about the environment not being pathological more than it is about having material goods. Children invent their own happiness.
As a teenager, it becomes about the mating ritual. In that context, relative material deprivation can have a significant adverse impact on the ability to attract a quality mate. I would expect that in countries where it is relatively easy to change your material position in society would have happier adults than one where there was less opportunity because it gives the person more ability to improve their outcomes on the mate selection front.
As for kids being happy - they just have near infinite energy to spare. As your responsibilities increase and your infinite energy begins to whither, it's a different dynamic.
> As a teenager, it becomes about the mating ritual.
That is an interesting observation.The mating ritual is about differentiation and perhaps the easiest way to express that is through the application of money (which takes the place of effort). Although I would dispute the assumption of a 'quality' mate. Such judgements are difficult if not impossible during one's teen years given a lack of experience both of one's self and of one's self in the context of another. The entire concept of "cool" is, at its heart, this sort of mating ritual.
That said, I observed that there were many different groups at my high school, each with their standards of 'cool' and thus various ranking systems. Atheletes, band members, socialites, all had their 'most' and 'least' cool members. For athletes (as an example) their physical prowess had little to do with their financial standing[1].
I continue to think that it is important to "catch" emergent materialism in children and to hold it up to the light and show them what it is, nothing. Talk to them about whether or not having the latest phone changes who they are, or changes the way other people are. This is exactly when people start developing a sense of how to measure themselves in the world and if you let them believe that they are measured by what they own, they will have a very hard time ever measuring up.
[1] Or their success fitness as some succeeded in later years and some didn't.
But betting on a rich mate is a pretty good bet that teens make.
> But betting on a rich mate is a pretty good bet that teens make.
I would be interested to hear how you reason to that conclusion. I ask because there are a number of ways where my experience differs (and granted this comes from going to USC in Los Angeles for my BS degree, and that school has a reputation for having a lot of 'rich teens') My experience there was that the more money a person had the less 'functional' they seemed to be. At the time I attributed it to their having so many things done for them that they didn't have to develop the skills to do things on their own. But it wasn't a scientific study at all, just the experience of growing up with a cohort of similarly aged people over 5 years.Of course it might depend on the definition of fitness. It was certainly true that the wealthier teens had more opportunities to create offspring than I did :-) By the measure of their gene pool was more likely to continue I could agree.
>Of course it might depend on the definition of fitness. It was certainly true that
>the wealthier teens had more opportunities to create offspring than I did
As far as mating fitness, that's actually all that matters. The weight of millions of years of biology are behind that drive. The fact that modern society has abstracted "success" to so many other things is a recent novelty.I still find your pre/post teenage hood split interesting, a lot of things change in one's mind, things get stiffer and more extreme (IMO people are less religious and communautarian), less creative and free.
Woah... what a leap. You really couldn't think of anything else that might affect an adults happiness other than materialism?
Edit: Just checked the PDF.. it's the World Happiness Report. It does not say what the article says.
Out of curiosity, I had a look at some of the metrics on Wikipedia for comparison. Colombia ranks 4th according to the adult "happiness index" (after Germany) but 80th on the inequality-adjusted human development index and 98th on the standard HDI--compared to Norway which ranks 1st in both metrics. I can't say I know what this means, but from what I understand, I'd imagine that countries higher on the HDI index therefore have more equal access to services adults find important (like healthcare) and more equal income (and therefore purchasing power) and "should" be happier. Likewise, these countries ought to have greater access to material goods. (But, there's also the issue of who they interviewed, their income levels, etc.)
I could be completely wrong, but I just can't imagine that owning a plethora of things necessarily equates to increased happiness.
I was much happier at school than I am now that I have to work. I almost hit it when I take a day off for no reason.
It takes a lot of deliberate mental practice to learn not to care about what others have or what they might think of you, and few people bother.
Another facet is that this caring is only a projection of what you think you will feel in the having, or not-having, of those things. But many people have experienced that being one of the richest people in the world (the Western middle class and higher) isn't necessarily the most fulfilling existence that there is. Comfortable, perhaps, but not necessarily more than that.
Yes. We teach children to brush their teeth to avoid cavities. Maybe we should also teach them to brush their minds to avoid anxiety.
Isn't it children that should be teaching us about that? :)
"Don't have the newest Timmy the Dinosaur toy? Your parents don't love you any more!"
I mean I got in a little discussion on this very site where people insisted advertising is equivalent to force. That's clearly wrong, but it is also fairly illuminating.
My parents gave me that speech when I was 5, before I was allowed to watch any non-PBS TV. It was remarkably effective; I just tuned out all the commercials, because I knew they were people trying to sell me things that I didn't actually want before I saw the commercial. It got so extreme, at one point, that my mom had to go the other way and say "Y'know, it's okay to spend money once in a while."
And I say that because I have been there. I have been anxious, unhappy because of material posessions, wanting everything that is displayed vividly in glamorous ads.
And it is a bad place to be. I'm 22 years old and now I'm cured. It's been quite a journey to regain independent thought.
Status is the lynchpin of many of our afflictions, from wars to suicides to intergroup and interpersonal conflicts. Alas, we rarely acknowledge this facet of humanity as it also underlies the "good" parts (love, belonging, trust), and instead opt to adopt ideologies and fight the same battle all in the name of "doing good"[1].
Also, for young adults in particular puberty leads to the onset of a tumultuous period of having to compete against the grain of what you phrased as "cultural messages of inferiority." School bullying is a wretched example of this dynamic, that doesn't necessarily arise from some culture out there (it starts from inside the school building). Adults are not particularly wiser either; somebody here mentioned "mate selection" being a common theme of young adults; however I wonder if they looked into "mate retention" (jealousy, envy, possessiveness, separation anxiety) which is a common theme among senior adults as well.
[1] http://www.iea.org.uk/blog/the-economics-of-political-correc...
"Happiness" and "Confidence" are two of the most dangerous words in American Culture. I really wonder who benefits from this.
On Culture
Until the age of 19, I was in Western Africa. In our language there is no direct substitute for the question "Are you happy?" I can ask "are you sick, hungry, lost, fast, slow, smart, bad, good, angry,etc..," but I have no easy straight way of asking "Are you happy?"
That is not to say people are happy, that is just to say the words/questions shape the culture.
On Material Deprivation
On the other hand I noticed the difference between my status and my friends. I had friends I would not bring to my home as a kid; these kids would spend on clothes what was our family's monthly income. Material deprivation is entirely subjective nevertheless. I also had cousins, family friends, who found our home the best place to be during their holidays. They would usually live in more remotes part of the country or in the suburbs, not the main city.
On Material Deprivation
"Appearance starts where performance ends." I notice the times one finds hope or purpose bigger than themselves (even if temporarily) they do not care so much about appearance. Take the average startup entrepreneur. They could live in a shack and be content if they were confident they had the next Facebook in hand. On the other hand they could land a job at Google for $250k yearly and be miserable because their goal was to build a unicorn. To this end whenever I worry about appearances, I know internally something is lacking. Something deeper. It happens on and off, I realize it.
"Ignorance is really bliss"
I have noticed something: philosophers and analytical minds seem unhappy, religious minds seem just accepting, and those who "do not appear" very intelligent are having a freaking good time in life.
Which begs the question: who really are the smart ones? :-)
Smarter people might have a tendency, more than others, to brood and worry over existential questions and matters that happen to be depressing. But worrying about things that are out of their small hands isn't exactly productive, or smart.
Or it may seem, but I believe the reason we make advances in almost every field is due to philosophy. "Philosophy proposes and Science creates a framework for discovering answers."
But I agree, it begs the question "who is really smart?"
The guy from True Detective comes to mind.
Adults don't have it that easy in the country side
If you can find some people to do stuff with that you like, it's quite fun. A lot more fun frankly - as a child, you can only do so much. As an adult with a career in IT, you can do a looooot more. Plus you get to have sex, aw ye!
If you're bored, you haven't found the right people and it likely means you have trouble getting along with them to begin with, so work on that.
You can't work on the approaching because that's not the root of the problem.
It's like this - some people form groups based on chit chat and hanging together. It usually involves alcohol and hooking up, that's kinda the point of it all. And what keeps it going is the never-ending gossip surrounding who did what with whom. That's late highshcool, college/uni and a few years afterwards for some folks.
People who are more intellectually inclined tend to not be a part of those groups because they're 'boring' - which's another way of saying you can't relate to them and they can't relate to you. You're not 'connecting'.
Here's the crucial element - smart people relate based on doing things that take skill, average folks relate based on liking same music, same clothes, etc.
Once you're good at something average people want to be good at - they'll put up with your inability to relate to them based on 'boring' things. You'll be this 'Steve Jobs'-like weird-o they'll come to appreciate. In turn, when they like you, you'll get to have sex with them and stuff like that, and YOU will learn that the stuff you couldn't relate to them about, is not so bad after all. It just wasn't intuitive for you. Once you're good at making women (or men if you're a woman) happy, you all of a sudden have this superpower that everybody wants.
So it's this self perpetuating cycle but you gotta get good at something that is going to give you social points, so that you can catch up on what being 'cool' is all about.
Some of those things are being in a good band, dancing, comedy, sports etc. Nobody cares that you know how to install Linux, but if you can get up and sing at Karaoke night and get a standing ovation, all of a sudden you're a little rockstar.
Adults are driven by our evolution to be useful to the community. Games are designed to allow humans (particularly kids) to master skills. Adults ideally should have already mastered much of the needed skills. Hence games cease to be interesting the more one gets older (in general -- there are always plenty of exceptions).
In our modern world however, really useful stuff is done by robots or a tiny part of the population. Thus you have to find meaning on your own and that can be quite difficult.
Being around children teaches you a compassion for others and yourself, something your comment points towards a desperate need for.
Does it really take a lifetime to gain wisdom about life? Or is it adults that unlearn the wisdom of childhood, and forever after that struggle to find wisdom in an adult paradigm which is fundamentally flawed?
With abstract questions, you can sit around wondering for eternity. Unless you come to recognize that you're not getting anywhere (life will remind you soon enough) and do something concrete instead :)
If you replace wisdom with 'competence' it becomes much more down to earth. When somebody else is feeding, clothing, scheduling, teaching etc and all you have to do is use your base instincts, it's easy to be competent, you don't need to do anything.
When you have to feed, clothe, schedule, teach etc yourself AND others AND then some, it can be quite a challenge.
Children are not competent at much of anything, so there you go :)
As for asking more concrete questions in this place, I see little point. At least as far as your benefit is concerned since you know everything on this topic already.
From chapter 20:
Other people are joyous, like on the feast of the ox,
Like on the way up to the terrace in the spring.
I alone am inert, giving no sign,
*Like a newborn baby who has not learned to smile.*
I am wearied, as if I lacked a home to go to.
Other people have more than they need,
I alone seem wanting.
I have the mind of a fool,
Understanding nothing.
Source: http://www.taoistic.com/taoteching-laotzu/taoteching-20.htmCommentary: http://www.centertao.org/tao-te-ching/dc-lau/chapter-20-comm...