Comment by mucker | Hacker News Reader

Comment by mucker | Hacker News Reader

Baloney. What we have is a culture that has largely undermined the concept of constructive and well structured argument. One should read the exchanges between friendimies GK Chesterton and George Bernard Shaw. They respected each other and were friendly but if you read their output about each other they would be fired today. Why?

We are pansies.

We assume, wrongly, that argument about ideas and even light jabs at the person are tragic. They are not.

Worse we have enshrined that into law in most places with "hostile work environments". Some ideas deserve to die and you only discover that through _vigorous_ debate.

Do we have to be pricks about it? Probably not. Should we fire pricks that are often right? Absolutely not.

That would work if people could disregard their feelings and considered only the logic of arguments. But that's not always possible, as much as we try feelings can't always be controlled (though learning to control them is definitely a worthy pursuit). By trying to be kind we're minimising the potential for feelings to get in the way of the logic. Sure it adds overhead but the advantage of this is that opinions and view that might otherwise not get expressed do.

Also how many of those pricks that are often right actually are often right and how many are just so much of a prick no one wants to challenge them?

> Some ideas deserve to die and you only discover that through _vigorous_ debate.

Patently false.

You should provide more insight. I understand that you disagree with the statement, but you aren't really doing anything to prove your point. Granted, the original poster didn't do much to prove their claim either.

I thought it was obvious on its face that "vigorous debate" isn't the "only" way that bad ideas end up dying. In fact, plenty of bad ideas have come out of vigorous debate.

The poster never said vigorous debate is the only way that bad ideas die.

They said that vigorous debate is the only way that some bad ideas die.

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