Shotspotter CEO Answers Questions on Gunshot Detectors in Cities
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It doesn't matter what your privacy policy says, and it doesn't matter if the default configuration is to only download the audio near the time of a possible gunshot.
The important part is that these devices can stream audio to remote servers. The NSA or anybody who finds or can coerce accesses to the system could use them to eavesdrop on everything within range.
No amount of "privacy policy" is going to prevent it.
The cases people point to where ShotSpotter has picked up understandable words have been people very close to sensors who were shouting immediately before, during, or after gunfire the system picked up. But at that point, it's unreasonable to claim some sort of violation of privacy when people are screaming for all to hear.
Each microphone had a wired phone line connection to the central system at the police station, which was a PC with a data collection card running LabView. A LabView program turned gunshot information into map plots. It was a simple, local system.
The new systems are much fancier. They're "cloud-based", which means the data goes first to ShotSpotter's HQ. They have synchronized clocks (probably from GPS), so they can send in timed audio snippets to be matched at the analysis center. It's a service now, rather than just hardware. Not clear what kind of data connection they have; probably cellular data.
At least one civilian agency which has adopted it seems to have found that its not worth the cost. [0]
[0] http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Oakland-cops-aim-to-scra...
But yeah, it might look cool at first glance, but I don't think its worth its money.
Likely they’re looking for the muzzle blast. Also, rifles generally aren’t used to commit crimes, so looking for the shockwave exclusively will be next to pointless.
Between April 5 and May 2 of this year, there were 187 recorded cases of shots fired in all of LA.
[Edit: I misunderstood]
Given that the US military uses up 250k rounds per killed insurgent (http://jonathanturley.org/2011/01/10/gao-u-s-has-fired-25000...) I rather suspect LA has more than ~200 shots fired a month.
Even going to, say, the statistic I read some time ago of police hitting about 1 in 4 times they fired isn't so useful, because this I take this to be a metric of shooting incidents, in which multiple gun shots were probably fired.
I'm willing to bet that average engagement ranges in street violence in the US are closer, and the involved parties less effective at using cover and concealment, than is usually the case in battles between professional modern military forces and insurgent groups that still exist after several years of ongoing combat with professional modern military forces. Also, the weapons used are different.
So, generally, I wouldn't use statistics for the latter as a yardstick for evaluating shots/victim ratios for the former.
EDIT: My impression is that gun crime is heavily concentrated down to individual blocks or neighborhoods in urban areas. I don't like the idea of these devices in general, but I imagine that if they were deployed, they would be concentrated in so-called "high risk areas".
This looks like it targets a very small (but probably high profile) subsection of criminal activities. For example, it wouldn't detect someone robbing/beating/stabbing someone.
Yes, that might appeal to law enforcement, even if their intentions are good. It would be interesting to compare the benefits to other programs, like raising the amount of patroling police etc.
Though to be fair it was New Years in San Diego, and Santee is a bit out of the way
I also made the dumb mistake of tapping on a window sitting on my couch once when I saw a bunch of funny dudes with helmets just outside it. When they looked in the window I realized it was actually SWAT, right before they raided the house two doors down.
Why would a city invest in something like this? Especially if you get the information via emergency calls?
# Mapping gunshots in both time and space. These types of sensors can attempt to classify the type of weapon used based on the audio signature. If there are are several shots from similar-sounding sources moving through the city at a certain, or in a certain area over the period of days (or month), this can tell you more than you could determine from just emergency calls.
# Tieing the gunshot sensors in with other input devices, like cameras. You can reduce the time spent looking through, say, traffic camera recordings that happened in the vicinity of the gunshot looking for related video.
# Automatically pointing moveable cameras to look in the direction of a gunshot. Means you don't need as many camera for the same effective coverage.
The ShotSpotter they put in last fall is definitely seeing some use here.
The alternative for violent areas is relying on witnesses to both dispatch help and confirm date and place of gunshots.
I'm not from the US, so it was quite shocking to be a friends BBQ outside LA and hear multiple gunshots over the course of the night. They are quiet teachers, and have kids. They don't need gunshots in their lives.
If those people don't need gunshots in their lives, they should move to some place where they're not so common. Like the majority of the US where concealed carry is legal and, it is my impression, such bad areas are much more compressed.
This is a pretty absurd over-simplification of the causes of the American Revolution. Lexington and Concord certainly involved a British march on militia supplies including weapons/ammunition, but those weapons/ammunition were being gathered not for their own sake, but because of decades of tension over taxation, quartering, limitations on public gatherings, things like the Boston Massacre, etc. leading up to war. The Massachusetts militia weren't just a bunch of gun collectors who got pissed about gun control.
> it is my impression, such bad areas are much more compressed
I'm not sure ghettoization should be pointed to as a success story.
Adjust for demographics and that difference tends to go poof. Some time ago, and I should really check up on this, it was said that if you subtract the South, the rest of the US is pretty much normal. Being from the cultural South, I can believe this.
Decreasing homicides is not the end and and be all of what I consider to be a good society. The U.K. approach of outlawing effective self-defense per se, in the courts in the '50s and legislatively in the '60s, has resulted in a lot more overall violence, with innocents getting a lot more victimized. No thanks.
The history of genocidal slaughters of disarmed peoples in the 20th Century, which started with the Armenians in Turkey 100 years ago, ought to give pause to those desiring to disarm peoples.
A lot of Americans have a taste for freedom that doesn't seem apparent in much of the rest of the world; well, aside from all those who try to move here. I wonder why...?
CA is largely hostile towards legal firearm ownership (getting put back into place by the courts, slowly but surely, though!)
These gunshots are not coming from law abiding citizens: most of these incidents are gang-related.
And you know what? Murder is illegal. More severe than any firearm-related law in the United States. If these individuals are attempting or successfully carrying-out murder, why and how do firearm laws prevent anyone but "good guys" from using them for legal purposes?
If you believe that, you need to get out more.
Sorry, going to need an amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America for that.
And even after said amendment: good luck preventing people from acquiring and illegally owning firearms.
Inner-city gang wars aren't even remotely reason to infringe upon one of the most important American rights.
Even if its not a slippery slope - I'd imagine there are several better alternatives where you can spend the money.
I wondered how big a problem this is, but the only number I quickly could find is annoyingly from their advertising material and claims that in some areas only 10 % of shots were reported, which is not really the relevant number. Does anyone have a number on how many people die of gunshot injuries that either weren't reported or reported to late?
So what you want to do is get people off the street before they start shooting, or if that fails, you get them off the street as soon as they start shooting in order to break the cycle.
At the moment, with the dispatching of officers etc, you find that it takes about 2 minutes from receiving a call to an officer being dispatched (that's from the London Ambulance Service). A lot of this is just the time between the call arriving and the operator working out where the person is. Before the call, there are perhaps 15 seconds where the bystander who calls up is getting their phone out and dialing.
In this case, with the new system you can in principle have two squad cars each half a mile away knowing where the gunshot is to a reasonable level of accuracy, perhaps within a couple of seconds of the shot itself.
Within a minute of the first shot, the police can be on the scene. In this case, the suspects have only just jumped into their cars, and so are picked up easily.
There's no opportunity for any kind of revenge, because the suspects are in a cell.
Of course it's not a fantastic idea for every city; but if you're a company that focuses on military hardware, filtering off into LA, Chicago and NY can easily be an advantage for all.
That's not exactly true. When people call in gunshots they frequently have at best a vague idea where the shots came from. If you're sitting in your house with the window open, the shots will most likely sound as if they came from that direction - even if they were actually in the opposite direction. So you could be sending the police to a place 6 blocks away, which in a dense urban environment is quite a long ways indeed.
Being able to reliably figure out the actual location has value.
source: we have lots of gunshots in our neighborhood. Police response and ability to actually catch people has gone up since the spotter was installed.
“You were so focused on whether you could do it, you never stopped to ask whether you should.” - Jurassic Park
Would be fun to put dozens up all around, on slow timers.
I'm having difficultly coming up with anything that isn't essentially a blank firing gun, and I'll note those are deadly really close up.
Thinking about it, to avoid false positives, companies doing this need to filter out fireworks, the proverbial car backfire (do they do that any more???), etc.
If you never capture the raw audio, you won't be able to train the system to better detect the gunshots and to reduce false positives.
http://www.lightningmaps.org/realtime
http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page=3
TL;DR They do triangulated time of flight for EM emissions from lightning strikes.
In a city, you get more issues: double datapoints from the gun and the bullet, multipath effects, etc etc etc.