As an aside, Risky Business podcast is a fantastic podcast if you're interested in infosec. I've been listening to it for over five years, and can't recommend it enough, both for the quality of the content, and for the laughs they have. It comes out weekly on Fridays (Australia time). I've met Pat at some conferences and had a beer with him - he's a great guy, both on and off the podcast. Highly recommended! The website is
http://risky.biz/plug