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You don't trust the EFF?

I do not, and I do not like them either. They are a liberal lobby.

Which specific EFF policies/goals are you opposed to?

Off the top of my head: the bashing of Rob Graham, the defense of concepts that have nothing to do with our rights on the Internet, such as feminism.

I just spent several minutes googling for "EFF" in conjunction with "feminism" and didn't find anything that appeared to be relevant. I did the same for Rob Graham, and he apparently doesn't like the EFF, but I haven't found the EFF saying anything about him yet. I'm sure someone associated with the EFF has mentioned these things at some point, but they don't appear to be major issues. Could you give me some links?

Feminism: most of their staff are feminists. I'm not going to spend my time googling and posting links. Here's a start https://www.eff.org/about/staff

Rob Graham was called out in this article which was subsequently edited: https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/553716844650307584

Also, they lie constantly, in lousy attempts of populism and being lavished with attention: http://blog.erratasec.com/2014/07/eff-lies-about-netneutrali...

Rob Graham seems to like free markets (great) but think US cable companies are a free market (plainly wrong). Thus he thinks that it's a bad idea to protect the internet free market from the cable monopolies. It's a noble cause, he's just not well informed.

Their staff might be feminists, but that doesn't mean they engage in gender discrimination. If you have something better, post it.

Don't feed the trolls. I don't think his contributions to this thread warrant further discussion.

This can't be a serious reply...

No, not in the slightest. The EFF is a non-profit organization that exists to lobby for policy change. No such organization is worthy of much in the way of trust -- especially for such a sensitive instrument.

What organization would you consider more trustworthy?

A non-profit, apolitical organization dedicated to identity verification and management of a PKI trust, whose charter includes yearly audits of its systems.

To look at the history and charter of the EFF and say you don't trust them "in the slightest" is a bit ridiculous. It's hard to take that kind of remark seriously. Look at who's involved and what they've done, and dismiss that under the broad strokes of "no such organization is worthy of trust"? Nonsense.

I don't care who's involved, honestly. The problem is that they're a lobby and they actively push for policy changes. That's a full time job in and of itself -- identity verification is also a full time job, and a requirement of a properly functioning PKI.

What I want involved is an identity verification organization whose mission is clearly defined to be identity verification and management of a PKI trust.

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