Some tech firms being 'friendly to terrorists' says UK police chief
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Perhaps he should do an open house, in the nude. Only then can we be safe from this potential predator. He locks his door! He must be hiding something sinister. The evidence - his use of a technology to restrict access to information about his self - points to a guilty conscience.
"We all love the benefit of the internet and all the rest of it, but we need their support in making sure that they're doing everything possible to stop their technology being exploited by terrorists. I'm saying that needs to be front and centre of their thinking and for some it is and some it isn't."
-- Unsurprisingly, the main argument here is that creating more surveillance-proof software is essentially the same as being friendly with terrorists. I beg to differ on that.
So no, preventing technology from being exploited by bad people should not be "front and centre" of its creators' thinking. That attitude just leads to never building useful things. Should we also stop building good quality roads, because being able to drive faster is friendly to bank robbers? Should we abolish cash, because being able to transact quickly and anonymously is friendly to fraudsters?
And this is giving too much credence for people that were already caught abusing their powers.
No, evidence is that those people are not biased. They have a clear view of their goals, and they are trying to keep the population terrorized enabling them to gather more of government's power. They are terrorists themselves, using terror to enable a coup.
Meanwhile, back in the UK, government is using terrorist introduced legislation to spy on people overfilling their garbage bins....
Which would be very funny if it were not true.
Sounds like a great story to share. What's happening in the UK with garbage and surveillance?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3333366/Half-of-counc...
Seven years old: don't know if it still goes on.
The police don't want power for power's sake, they really do want it to do their job better. Unfortunately, they lose track of the fact their job is ultimately to uphold the laws and our way of life by aggressively pursuing the short-term goal of reducing immediate threats. The police are a force for good, and we are better off for their presence, but like the guard dog above, they require attention to keep inline.
This, of course, isn't anything new or groundbreaking.
Such an entity would not be recognizable as a "police force" to anyone currently living, as most are heavily militarized and populated almost exclusively by individuals with a pathological need to exercise absolute power over others. But yes, in principle such an entity could be created to replace what now exists.
There are two major problems: first, the individuals making up today's police forces won't just go away, any more than piratical sailors did following the end of the War of the Spanish Succession or the Ba'athists did following the fall of their government in Iraq. They're still going to be somewhere, seeking unlimited power by whatever means they can, lawful or not. Something has to be done to prevent them from reconstituting themselves somewhere else. De-Ba'athification turned out to be harder than it looks; abolishing an institution takes more than removing its members from the public payroll.
Second, as most scholars probably would accept, risk-aversion among politicians is an essential failure of representative democracy. It is usually impossible to find the political will to do anything that could lead to "headline outrage" later. This is a basic feature of this form of government; simply throwing out a particular group of bums won't address it. No rational politician would vote to reform the police in any radical manner because any subsequent "heinous crime" would be dumped on his or her doorstep (regardless of whether any police force conceivable could have prevented it), and of course the former cops would encourage this process and milk it for all it's worth. The rational politician is interested in maximizing opportunities for reelection, not the good of humanity.
The two analogous historical comparisons I might make, in which public institutions were replaced wholesale with the mandate that horrific errors of the past never be repeated, are the Bundesbank and the Japanese SDF. The Bundesbank has effectively been replaced after only a few decades by the pro-inflation ECB, and the SDF's pacifist restrictions, after decades of being whittled away, are now under discussion for outright removal. So the historical track record of "never again" isn't very compelling, nor is the historical track record of firing large numbers of armed and dangerous "public servants" with limited skills and a history of supporting one another through corruption and perjury. And we know that no representative democracy's politicians are ever going to support such an act. Your ideological commitment to the ballot box is laudable, but does not provide any real solution to the problem at hand, nor does it refute my essential characterization of today's police institutions.
Even ignoring the question of whether doing so would fix the problem, which I give you it could, you've provided nothing to show that it's the only way besides your own assertion.
I also don't believe this group is the same as the group that controls most the media. There may be some overlay, and some shared interests, but ultimately the politicians do not control the media. Both politicians and the media pander to, and manipulate, the public. It's obvious the public has the actual power here, and it's just a matter of asserting it and making it's will known. Of course, that's not necessarily an easy thing to do.
It seems to me that you only require that the majority of the group be in need of corrective action, and be completely unwilling to do so themselves, if you think that the group is ruled by a majority... If you believe that power between the members of the group, is roughly evenly distributed, and can be as easily turned to any end. I don't believe that's the case. I believe that the moral character of the group taken as a whole is uncertain, but that a few very powerful people establishing the character of the system are operating under fairly perverse incentive structures... and that there's no readily apparent way to get rid of them.
That is to say, that there is no candidate you can vote for where your vote translates into meaningful action in removing them. That, if you were an individual policeman, there is no action you could take there to remove them either. That even if the majority of the group were good, there are problems of detection and power disparities that they would have to act in concert to overcome (perhaps even on a national level)...
That as such the chance of anything significant to being done to curtail abuses of the system, before they can grow and become the nature of the system, (if they are not already,) are very low. You don't need everyone in the police to be corrupt to silence a potentially problematic civilian. A few people in the right place, that you can get to do what you want them to, will do perfectly well. It doesn't even need to be the case that they're evil if you can feed them the wrong intelligence. The people who turn up to arrest the person might honestly believe that they're a criminal.
They may even be right. Everyone's guilty of something these days and selective enforcement would be a fantastic weapon if you were a hypothetical evil master-mind type. You arrange for someone to be looked more closely at, and they'll be effectively eliminated even by people who are trying to impartially uphold the law. You get to eliminate your problems while thumping your chest about how impure the world is and how you need more power to protect it....
Not everyone needs to be evil for the system as a whole to become abominable, even incorrectably so (at least just going by number of good vs bad participants.)
> You don't need everyone in the police to be corrupt to silence a potentially problematic civilian.
No, but you need a fair percentage of people, or people in power to be, to do it continuously without getting caught. Additionally, as long as general consensus is against specific group actions, they will eventually come to light. Just as there is a chance that a normally lawful person may occasionally, due to some aspect of their personality or environment,break the law, there is a chance that a person that normally breaks a specific law will decide that this instance of it occurring within the group is inexcusable in the way it previously was, and make it public. That is, groups that exhibit aberrant behavior with regard to the social norm will eventually be exposed, and society in general will take steps to correct that behavior if it is aberrant enough. I.e. The group defined by getting just a little too close when greeting people will face little or no social correction, while the group that spits in your face instead of saying hello will face some heavy corrective actions.
> Not everyone needs to be evil for the system as a whole to become abominable, even incorrectably so (at least just going by number of good vs bad participants.)
I'm not sure any system is incorrectably abominable. Nature seems to abhor steady state systems (if it seems to be steady, perhaps the scale is too small), cyclical seems more common. and cyclical implies change (and return, to be fair).
Such absolutism is foolish. The only way to guarantee technology cannot be used by terrorists is to never invent any technology. In the real world we need to offset the tiny benefits to an extreme minority of bogeymen against the enormous benefits to typical consumers.
And law enforcement has to think about the distrust of government by its supposed citizen/masters that it's causing by indiscriminately spying on everyone. Snowden isn't the problem. The problem is that there was something worth exposing.
If spies and law enforcement worked indisputable within the bounds of expectation and law (and not merely within law that they essentially drafted, for their convenience), rather than in the shadows, then I'm quite sure that businesses and others would mostly have no problem working with them.
If I know that you're going to be honest, I have no reason to protect myself against you specifically. If not, you're just another threat.
Come back into the fold, law enforcement. We miss you.
If you're making tech that is not creating challenges for law-enforcement, in light of all we know now, you're doing it wrong.
Let's not forget there are people who enjoy increasing their power, tracking political enemies, exercising authority over other people, and all other forms of winning-at-other's-expense.
Really, this feels like a large-scale version of a spouse, caught cheating, refusing to admit any wrongdoing and then getting ripshit about not feeling trusted.
If they were serious, they'd name and shame the supposed terrorist friendly companies, and encourage the public not to do business with them.
This is no different from Joe McCarthy's list of government employees who were communists, which he always waved and never shared. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy
If my neighbour performs an illegal action, I will not report him unless I believe the action to merit punishment.
I do not believe secure communications are bad and therefore I will not aid in their destruction.
Simple.
Didn't think our politicians had it in them, so perhaps there is some decency and concern left.
Some might attribute that soundbite to malice rather than stupidity...
They have a very clear idea what they want. They want central keyholding authorities with master keys that they can use... This could then be used to keep the banking system safe enough (NB safe enough rather than safe) whilst allowing no private communications.
Doesn't it also make it hard for terrorists to access the authorities' materials as well? A tool is a tool.
Please read all my email because I want to keep all the children safe!
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