Every time these threads come up people in high cost of living states that make $20K+ more than everyone else flood in and then reply to people living in low cost of living states with "how come you make so little?!"
Then the whole thread turns into a salary pissing match with only people doing exceptionally well replying and everyone else thinking about how much they're getting "screwed." It is self-selection bias.
Anyway...
- $47K, Utah, Programmer
- Unfinished college degree, and five years as a "DevOps"-style role
- Even for Utah my pay is on the low end, but I have a great benefits package and a ton of time off (about three weeks fixed, 20 days of vacation, and 10 days of sick leave a year), and I work actual 9-5 (no unpaid overtime). High job security (government), low turnover (I am the first hire in over five years), and a happy work environment.
- My work actually expects you to use your vacation. It isn't one of those "vacation on paper" places or "unlimited leave" places where the internal culture is to never use it.
- My pay increases at fixed intervals without negotiation and is tracked so it is a knowable quantity.
Do I get paid on the low end for the specific job title? Yes. But how much value can you place in an actual 9-5 where you only work max 11 months of the year and have good job security and great benefits?
Plus my pay slowly rises in time (above inflation) and I'll have no periods of unemployment (which can be extremely expensive, in particular if you have any medical stuff in the US).
Yeah, sure, I am rationalising but if I made even $65K this would be pretty much the perfect job, but you cannot have everything...
I to have a great job security, a happy work area, and great benefits with where I live I can support both the wife and I and live comfortably.
Also awesome you have the fixed time off on top or 20 days of vacation!
AU$60,000 + overtime up to around AU$75,000 total
Purchasing power comparison: where I live the following prices are typical. meat pie $5.10; can of Coke over the counter $2.30 ($1.60 - $1.80 from vending machine); apples are $3 - $6 / kg; whole cauliflower $6 - $8; petrol is $1.35 / litre; three bedroom home in ok suburb $230,000 or $280 / week to rent.
Edit: I also have access to over 1000 rock climbs within 1 hour drive of my city, 300 within 20-30 minutes walk of the city centre.
1. Started as a freelancer / Excel consultant charging between $25 and $50 an hour. Did some small jobs like Wordpress sites, web scraping, and writing VBA scripts.
2. One of my clients hired me full time as a contractor for $40 an hour. He hired me to write trading algorithms for him but I continued to learn Ruby on Rails in my free time.
3. After about year of that, got my first full-time job as a Rails developer for $75,000.
4. Changed jobs after a year and was brought on at $85,000. Shortly after I got a raise to $100,000.
This sounds like a solid road map. Do you mind giving some insight as to how you learned VBA/Excel enough to consult and where you found your consulting/contractor gigs?
Thanks!
I like to say if you can read Greek you can certainly read Perl/C++.
If you're good I don't think you need the masters, unless you want to specialize in something mathy/difficult, e.g. machine learning. But if you can pick up just an algorithms and data structures course it will make you a better programmer.
Best of luck to you!
- Brighton UK - £25,000 ($37,250)
- Birkenhead, UK - £30,000 ($44,700)
- Liverpool, UK - £27,000 ($40,230) later £32,000 ($47,680) (took a hit to work with a stack I wanted to work with)
- Toronto, Canada - £47,000 ($69,500) plus 10% bonus
Just under 2 years out of school (May 2013), was a Brain and Cognitive Science major with a minor in Legal Studies. Job progression thus far:
1. $45K base, no overtime - 5 months
2. $62.5K base, hourly wage as overtime depending on project - 1 year (switched jobs)
3. $77.5K base, hourly wage as overtime depending on project - ~4 months now (same job, got a raise)
I work at a consulting company in NYC that makes software for financial services firms.
Oh, I only work for ~4 months of the year and have the rest of the year to vacation / play / program / whatever.
I advise you guys to quit your day jobs...
Self-taught as didn't agree with most formal education. Pay has been between $90-$130K in various roles over the last 3 years, four years ago (as a 22yo) I was on around $60-$70K~ And busy climbing the ranks.
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I had ~ one year of professional experience when I took this job.
I'm self taught with about 10 years of hobbyist development prior.
Three years ago, I was making $24K a year as a PhD student in the humanities. Took a $15/hour job writing SQL, then moved to New York and switched jobs a few times until I thought I was earning the same as my peers.
~110k software engineering, SV, <1 year out of school.