“Barclays closed down my bank account after Bitcoin trade”
telegraph.co.uk
telegraph.co.uk
> Amazing how an experienced reporter can whip up three lines' worth of information into a half-page article. "Barclay's closes account of 17-year -old bitcoin-trading client after noticing a 50£ deposit of fraudulent origin. The bank eventually offers 40£ of compensation for having blocked the withdrawal of his 400£ balance for a few days." The article even includes three photos that show to readers what a 17-year-old and a bank look like.
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Banks here typically don't do shit even if you threaten to close your account when they screw up, and when they screw up they don't want to fix it at all unless you contact the Office of the Comptroller of Currency; the only exception is small banks and credit unions that actually do give a damn, and those, in my experience, are rare.
That's mandated by laws, government agencies and, to a very large extent, by the public. Look up HN discussions when HSBC got a small-ish fine for not doing enough to stop mexican drug cartels from giving them business. We were demanding jail time for everyone involved.
Of course they commit hundreds of billions of dollars in fraud so it doesn't much matter.
The problem with attempting to do Bitcoin exchange is that there's a sea of hackers out there with access to other people's bank accounts. However, their access is pretty useless because they have no real way to extract the cash. ATMs have limits and require EMV cards which these hackers are unable to clone, and the only other way to get money out is a wire transfer .... to another heavily ID verified bank account. As they also can't beat the ID verification of the banks, they find themselves with access to money they cannot steal.
Enter Bitcoin. They now have the perfect solution: pick a victim Bitcoin trader or exchange, and wire the money to them as part of an anonymous Bitcoin trade. As the trader doesn't check IDs as well as banks do (or don't try at all), the hacker gets the coins without being able to be traced. The bank now has a couple of choices, none of them good:
• They can roll back the transaction leaving the trader with the bill, but this may be forbidden by certain banking rules
• They can eat the loss and block the trader to ensure it doesn't happen again
As rolling back transactions across banks is tricky and usually (always?) manual, eating the loss followed by account termination is usually the easiest path forward.
The solution is for local Bitcoin traders to do ID verification as robustly as the banks do. For that to happen, traders need to be educated and the tools need to be written. Android phones can upload dumps of the e-Passport NFC chips which are digitally signed, so an e-Passport dump + Skype session is usually enough to verify a counterparty to a high degree of confidence (excluding things like stolen passports that the hacker buys because they look similar). But the tools to do this don't really exist right now.
Terminating their account removes the risk and costs the bank next to nothing.
Since Bitcoin is another form of cash, it becomes an exchange of one form of cash for another. There is no future risk of the transaction being reversed due to fraud.
They claimed the transfer was fraudulent but zero explanations were given. However they asked the student to tell the user to show up at a bank branch to vouch for the transaction's legitimacy. Obviously the user never responded to the request.
- Had the user been selling drugs? - Was the user's account empty? Did he pay with credit and never payed back? - Was he a known criminal to the Bank?
It's like selling a bicycle on ebay. If it turns out the person who paid for the bike was a criminal, how is the seller supposed to know? Wouldn't the bank be at fault for accepting the transfer if they know it comes from a fraudulent account?
I don't know about this specific example (Telegraph article), but I know of another example where the account was frozen and closed with zero explanations.
If you have only one comment, and it's a thinly veiled advertisement for a site, I'd be suspicious too.
I've seen much worse astro turfing throwing off large discussions by unused accounts hundreds of days old, and no response from mods. Mod policy is arbitrary and cultish.