Europe v Google: Nothing to stand on
economist.com
economist.com
> But rather than trying to rein in American firms, European politicians should focus on fixing what is holding back the old world’s most promising platforms: the lack of a common digital market. Today only 15% of consumers shop online across borders within the EU.
So to fix a monopolist in search abusing its position, the EU needs to make it easier for me to buy shoes from Poland with simpler VAT laws. How are those related at all? There's probably plenty of reasons why no European PhD dropouts started a successful search company, but cross border e-commerce isn't one of them.
Google's internal response[1] covers it inadvertently. They show stats for various European markets with competition in the shopping category, mostly with other American companies.
Yes, but search is very low on the list of industries where that matters.
Plenty European internet companies have trouble getting outside their founding country, sure, but the trouble is language, culture, lack of a unified media landscape, etc, not VAT rules. Anybody who tells you different is just trying to find a scapegoat for their inability to execute cross-culture.
This indeed makes Europe a more difficult starting point, but good luck fixing that with politics.
Not to mention the fact that before the digital age, when all international commerce actually involve moving physical goods across physical borders, Europe had no problem scaling up to multinational corporations.
European giants are largely hold-outs from a different age[1] (full article[2]). The decline didn't start with the Internet.
[1] https://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/2...
While it would be nice to get the VAT problems sorted out, this is second to the problem of there being a couple dozen different languages being used in the EU. People shop domestically because they can use websites in their native language and when they have problems, can talk to customer service representatives in a language they understand.
It is really, really hard to get your service localized in couple dozen different languages (let alone provide actual customer service in all of them).
Even Amazon handles only a part of Europe, and if Amazon can't do that, what companies can? There are a few, but not all that many, and for many it isn't worth it, because your economies of scale quickly disappear when you have to build and maintain a separate presence in up to 28 different countries that mostly speak different languages. (That includes American companies, too, by the way, many of which simply choose to ignore Estonia or even Sweden and Portugal.)
That is a big enough user base to have a successful business for most general retail without requiring cross borders.
If you look Amazon is most active in foreign countries with English as a first language, that's not a co-incidence it's simple cheaper to do business.
Also, many of these people in these countries speak several languages already because of the close proximity and business with each other.
You can get away without offering this for some types of products and services, but remember that you are competing with local vendors who do.
And yes, of course, there are other issues, such as shipping overhead (for anything that involves physical products) and payment method preferences. But language on its own is already a significant obstacle towards exploiting economies of scale beyond the national level.
It's arguing that if you want to improve competitiveness of European shopping sites, there's much that could be done to make sure they aren't hobbled in the first place.
In the US a belligerent defiance coupled with some strong lobbying goes a long way but, like you're seeing with Uber now, that approach doesn't work as well across the pond. Likewise in this case is just about challenging Google's use of its dominance to compete unfairly in other markets (which is illegal.)
That it happens to be about pushing domestic shopping sites down the rankings to favor their own results is rather incidental; at it's core this is just a shot across the bow to make it clear that if Google wants ad-money from Europe they must play by Europe's rules.
I hope Google gets that because these are not relationships you want to become adversarial or else someone might just decide to close the little tax loophole that lets Google escape taxation of its EU revenue.
The economist is a conservative, strongly pro-war (seriously, it supported fearsomely every major US/NATO war, last I remember was it's views on the need for USA to openly attack Syria. Disgraceful articles...), pseudo-liberal magazine.
You see good articles every now and then, but since most of the times you can't even tell the author (since it has a very specific policy about them), you're not sure what you're reading... Bug generally speaking I stopped trusting the 'E' long time ago.
I tries "Newsweek", a 3-month trial subscription. It was horrendous, worse than the 'E'.
For digital goods and services, cumbersome VAT rules do make cross-border e-commerce more difficult. The recent new rules on digital goods where VAT is applied based on the location of the buyer means merchants now have to deal with different VAT rates for 28 EU nations. I can see the rationale for such an approach, and it is meant be fairer...but in practice it's cumbersome and bureaucratic. Users now have to supply their address details for simply downloading software (in order for the merchant to confirm their location). There is no benefit to the user other than having to give more of their personal info away to merchants. Plus, now merchants have to retain all that personal data for many years for accounting and auditing purposes.
Harmonising VAT on physical goods will probably never happen, but the EU could have proposed a single VAT rate for digital goods and services which might actually have gained traction. Did they ever pursue this? If not, why not?
The people from the European Commission who are helping shape the "Digital Single Market" don't always inspire confidence even if they have the best of intentions: https://ec.europa.eu/commission/2014-2019/ansip/blog/euvat_e...
I wouldn't say that too quickly. People tend to paint the EU as some bureaucratic behemoth, but the whole point of the project was to vastly reduce administrative overhead for deploying to EU markets, and it has done so quite successfully. Compare "meet EU standards and it can be sold everywhere in the EU" to "have to double check the standards for every country we want to deploy to" - it's pretty obvious why the former is easier to deal with.
In fact, one of the biggest problems it is currently facing is that it's running out of things to fix in that sense. When it was about standardizing, I don't know, legally allowed substances in perfume, the benefits of standardisation far outweighed the hassle of changing local regulation. Now that its doing all kinds of things that can't be summarized as "everyone will (begrudgingly) go along because even in the worst case it benefits every involved nation", it's much harder to reach a consensus this way (paraphrasing a few books on the EU from memory).
Anyway, standardised VAT rules could fall under the old "benefits everyone"-category of projects, even for non-digital goods, so who knows?
Different countries within the EU have different laws, different markets, different cultures, different ways of doing business, and most obviously, different languages. Germany is different to France is different to the UK is different to the Czech Republic is different to Turkey.
This is why there's no single "European search engine" - and this is why America is the most attractive (and competed in) market for digital products - it's huge, well-off, and it's a lot more homogenous (at least in language and general culture) than Europe.
I'm not entirely sure what you're responding to, but the Economist is a European publication.
Although I would probably expand that out to ask why people from the UK also like to reason about (continental) Europe as a singular entity also, when they should certainly know better.
People are talking about the EU as a blob because the EU as a blob is the one making the anti-trust accusations.
I'm a sole trader with a "product" strat-up in France. I spend about 10% of my time on paperwork. I've have a police inspection yesterday "because I'm flatsharing". We have mandatory taxes and charges of about 70% [1]. There's no way we can become big.
[1] Income tax: 20%, Mandatory unemployment/state/health benefits 46%, VAT 20%, land tax $300 for using my own flat for professional purpose, corporate tax, mandatory non-computerized accountant $2800, bank $300, and unclear legislation compared to, say, UK, requiring hours and hours of reading and tax dodging.
That's not all of Europe, though, this must be a French peculiarity.
Here's the UK government talking about visiting your home to check your business accounts if you run a business from that home and they want to check your compliance.
In Helsinki, we did have this silly "let's chase the home offices" bureaucracy in 1970's and 1980's but that hunt went to grave at the same time with the Soviet Union, deservedly.
EDIT: I completely misunderstood, my bad. Not deleting this comment because it's already gotten a reply.
Over here (Finland) you actually get a deduction for that, not additional tax - although in general we have very very few deductions.
As equally (un)valuable anecdata, I'll quote Jeff Sutherland, one of the two guys who made up Scrum, who told me that in his opinion, Scandinavian companies are way ahead of the agile curve[0] than American companies. But hey, maybe he went to Goldman Sachs and Spotify to draw that conclusion, who knows.
[0] not that "agile" is somehow better than "not agile"[1], but you catch my drift
Apple, meet Orange: Surprise! They taste different.
That's not my perception
Check job openings in London, Dublin, Berlin and see what they're using
You would have better success of doing things on your own, making a product, having a minimal business model. I'm really wondering if there are angel investors in France, but so far I would consider avoiding the company model entirely, like john carmack described it.
It would certainly forbid you from doing certain things, but in this day and age I don't think it's possible to compete with the big boy's club.
Spotify is one of the world leaders in techniques for scaling Agile across large number of feature teams.
I'm glad to see disclosures like these.
“Our online businesses are today dependent on a few non-
EU players,” said Mr Oettinger. “This must not be the
case again in the future.”
So, just to be clear, if Google were based in an EU country, then everything they are doing would be fine?No, it would be exactly the same
Taking into account that the most fined companies regarding anti trust proceedings are European, I don't know how this claim is not BS
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/technology/microsoft-once-...