Female programmer denied job because of her 'unprofessional' attire
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Pretty obviously yes. One may think it's stupid but this company has a dress code and wants its employees to look put together period.
Also, based on her post I would say the company was pretty good at reading her personality. I have rarely seen someone who is yet to graduate but already has such deep feeling of entitlement. I guess her parents have told her her whole life how special and amazing she was, and she could do anything without trying. Welcome to the real world.
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Personally I think that's entirely acceptable. It's not a double standard, it's simply a policy that acknowledges that there are different social contexts. A job interview might fall into a different context from your day-to-day experience. Another case in point: My colleagues and I curse quite a bit at work, but that doesn't mean any of us would consider it appropriate to curse at a job interview.
Not saying this is exactly how it played out in reality, and there's always the question of unequal enforcement of equal standards.
So if everyone dresses in jeans and a t-shirt I might wear slacks and a polo or jeans and a button down shirt. If they wear business casual I'd probably wear a suit (though probably sans jacket).
Companies will pass on someone for wearing a suit if their are expected to be dressed casually. It happens all the time at startups. Being overdressed is a non starter sometimes.
I don't disagree that it's idiotic, but this seems to be the company's policy, they have the right to be idiotic.
Many comments pointed out that it is customary for an applicant to ask if there is a dress code prior to showing up for the interview. This person didn't know that, that's ok, she's inexperienced, still going to school. Maybe it was her first interview, I don't know.
The thing is, a grown-up would learn from this experience and say "next time I'll ask my HR contact if there is a strong policy regarding clothing", but no, not this very special snowflake. The world has to bend over to accomodate her uniqueness.
Companies do not have the right to be idiotic in all ways. As touched in the thread I posted, I think that we're flirting with those ways. Tshirt and skirt are usually appropriate for women where tshirt and jeans are appropriate for men, in American culture. If a company says that is not so, then I think there is potential for a gender discrimination claim. We have laws which say companies are not allowed to be arbitrarily idiotic.
It's like dating - what you wear on the first date is not what you can expect your spouse to expect/tolerate once you are living together.
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Seems like they're being a bit hypocritical, as her outfit was just as professional as his.
Overall, I think they probably just have some asshat of a manager. Most companies have a few of these. She probably dodged a bullet with this one.
You mean a suit? Cause the photo definitely has him in a suit jacket.
Having said this, the article is rage-bait. Remove the "female" from the title and it's just another Tuesday. Getting a job is hard for everyone.
To a semi-private social media account that will probably become public? No. That speaks of entitlement and narcissism.
And the fact that most millennials think it is "reasonable" to whine and cry publicly when they don't get their way is the problem.
If she were professional, she would have taken the opportunity to learn from it, change her interview/work-casual appearance a bit for the next job prospect, and try again.
The fact that she ranted at all about a commonality such as dress code in business shows how unprofessional she is, and I have to agree with other comments that this probably showed through in the interview.
My general rule of thumb for my staff is do your work well, and I don't care if you wear jeans and a polo, cut out fifteen minutes early/take a few extra minutes on lunch/show up a bit late every once in a while. As long as our users are happy, work is done, and quality is high that is what matters and I will cover for you and have your back if anyone questions it.
But, I would expect a possible job applicant to show up on time, in a suit or button down/slacks. And not act like an entitled, special snow flake regardless of obvious talent and skill.
It is unfortunate she didn't get the job, but making a bullshit stink about how unfair it is publicly is just awful. Grow up.
I'm going to make a giant leap of faith here and suggest that the person who denied her the job was probably a female.
I simply cannot envision a guy telling a girl he wasn't going to hire her because of a run in her tights.
Scrolling through the results of an image search for "women's business casual" vs "men's business casual" also highlight a stark difference.
This leads to unconscious bias against women. It isn't that we don't want to hire you, it's that we felt like you made a dress Faux pas that a male is never given the opportunity to make. Your skirt was slightly too high and also red, the top slightly too low cut, you wore slightly too much makeup, and even though you paired the skirt with leggings, we just felt you don't "understand" business dress.
What she wore: http://cdn0.dailydot.com/uploaded/images/original/2015/4/15/...
Replace the sweater with a blazer, and it's a match.
>This person does seem rather entitled as well as naive. I think her post was used to continue the "fight against patriarchy" and, much like the Rolling Stone article about UVA, is rather counterproductive.
>I do feel for women in the workplace, in any vocation, in terms of dress. It is an unfair standard and attention, impolite and otherwise, is completely unavoidable. It is a tricky situation: I believe in freedom of choice, but i know fighting biology is futile. There must be some middle ground between the burkah and the bikini...
Yeah there must be some sort of middle ground, like a skirt and leggings, and a blouse.
It's basically the same as a man's suit, except that you may swap out the trousers ("pants") for a matching skirt, and no tie. As such, the blouse typically leaves the top button undone.
You don't know who will be present at the interview, e.g. it could be upper management and therefore you should dress accordingly. Asking beforehand also helps make sure you don't overdress which could make you feel uncomfortable during the interview and have a negative impact.
The comment about "looking like she was ready to go out" was, in my opinion just a poor way of saying that she was too casual. I understand that the company may have a casual dress code, but it sounds like her appearance was "unprofessional" and not "overtly sexy". I would imagine that a guy showing up in a tattered suit would have gotten a similarly poor response.