Space X CR6 First stage landing
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If your rocket blows up on the launch pad, you just learned that you shouldn't overpressure your fuel tank (or w/e). But if your rocket lifts off, goes to space, and lands, you learn thousands of things that work that you can use again.
I have seen a company be destroyed because they got things almost right, from the beginning. This "success" informed their every decision and created an enormous resistance to trying anything new and in the end it turned out almost simply wasn't good enough. The initial success destroyed them.
Both the failing field joints ("O-rings") and detaching external tank insulation weren't quite bad enough to kill a Shuttle, were all but ignored, until of course they couldn't be ignored.
Also, there are different ways things can fail, E.G. catastrophically vs gracefully. For example, when your steel bike fails it will generally start creaking and slowly bend, allowing you to come to a stop or even ride home. Your carbon bike bike on the other hand is more prone to snapping or shattering, a catastrophic failure mode with potentially grave results.
The problem with aiming for success from the start is that it promotes a highly conservative, over-engineered solution. If it does work, it also acts as a brake on iterative improvement because your system already works, why risk failure by trying to make it more optimal? Also if you have a proven system, people start making bigger and bigger bets on it's success (more expensive payloads, for example), so the cost of any failure goes up.
If you aim for optimal design form the start, you're almost bound to experience failures. That's because say there are 100 parameters you need to tone and you aim for the estimated optimum for all of them. Statistically, half of those estimates are goign to turn out to be sub-optimal. As you iterate on the design, you fix those untill you end up with a truly optimal design. At each iteration, you have a positive incentive to make the necessary changes.
Depending on the cost of failure, this can be more expensive than aiming for a conservative, over-engineered design to start with, but not necessarily. Over-engineered systems, for a high chance of initial success, are by definition more costly than optimised designs and there's still a non-zero chance of initial failures anyway.
This video is one of the most beautiful things I have ever seen. This is not a failure. This is an incredibly rich mine of data on how to do better next time.
This is how we improve the world, and it's beautiful.
There is a tremendous amount of variables to consider, and the analysis of how to take each into account is non trivial -- if you don't measure some variable precisely enough it might make the whole system less stable, the solution might get worse due to increased computational load, the conditioning might degrade, etc.
So with the number of controls they have and the predictive models available, I'm sure they're actually scrambling to refine their systems right now.
Stopping a first stage rocket traveling back to an ocean going barge from supersonic speeds with substantial lateral velocity is hard, no matter what engine is performing its suicide burn while coordinating with RCS thrusters for attitude keeping.
Wouldn't it have a thrust to weight ratio well above 1 all the time?
The ratio will be highest just as it's about to run out of fuel. About 160 to 1?
They're also limited in how much they can control the throttle on it.
Even at minimum throttle, it's not possible for it to hover.
Here's another try:
> When near fuel exhaustion, the Merlin engine has a thrust to weight ratio above 1.
The rocket will always have a thrust to weight ratio well above 1.
What does that have to do with the comment you're replying to? The Falcon 9 has 9 engines. The combined thrust of all of them has to be greater than the weight of the fully loaded rocket. That doesn't mean a single engine will always have more thrust than the weight of the entire rocket.
If all this goes well though, the intention is to eventually fly it back and land it on the mainland.
"High resolution, color corrected, slow motion rocket landing video https://youtu.be/BhMSzC1crr0"
[edit] wouldn't it be easier to hover it a few meters above land and grab it with some big robot arms?
If the 'x-wings' are what I think you're referring to, they're the landing legs. They are shaped like that to have as minimal impact on the air resistance of the ascending rocket as is possible. They open just before landing.
It can't hover. Even just using a single one of the nine engines, the engine can't be throttled down enough for the rocket to hover. The landing method relies on what they call a 'hover-slam', where they fire the engine during landing to slow it down just before it touches.
Landing this is extremely impressive. It is going four times faster than the speed of sound, and they are landing it on a pad smaller than a football field. Vertical landing of a returning rocket has never been done. It's also the key step in the process of dramatically lowering the cost of spaceflight which could usher in a new era of technology around earth, and on other planets.
Of course, these barge landings are the first high-velocity tests, so there'll be kinks to work out.
I was impressed by how small the barge looked compared with the F9 it's clever that the F9 can autonomously target such a small area. If they keep targeting 'Just Read the Instructions' by the time land based landings come to be it will be nailed. Awesome stuff!
There's a "boostback burn" at altitude to slow the horizontal velocity right after separation, an entry burn to put it into the atmosphere, and a landing burn just before it hits the deck. The guidance in between those last two burns is aerodynamic from the grid fins.
The first stage mass is ~18,000kg empty (which it nearly is on landing), and it's coming in at its terminal velocity, which is, as a WAG, maybe 70m/s.
What's more, it cannot hover, as even one engine has a greater thrust at minimum throttle than the rocket weighs. So it must do what SpaceX calls a "hover-slam", and reduce its velocity vectors to 0 at the same moment its altitude gets to 0 in a single burn. Burn too short, you crash, burn too long, you go back up (and then crash.) And the horizontal vectors also need to be very small, and you can't end up too tilted either, or you fall over. And explode, because you're a thin-shelled tube with plenty of fuel and oxidizer still left. Oh, and you have to hit a very small target within a couple meters.
So it's a pretty tricky task. Plenty of rockets can hover these days, but landing a full-sized launch stage coming in from the edge of space is pretty tricky. And they almost got it. Looks like it overreacted just a hair to a gust of wind or something.
Your solution has two problems: (1) it cannot hover and (2) you'd have to design and build and test big robot arms. And put them everywhere you want to land. It's probably easier to make your big robot spacecraft, which you already have, do the landing itself on a plain concrete pad.
Edit: Or maybe 1.5 or 2x! I don't know..
Fingers crossed :)
The sheer drama of how fast it comes down, the awesome power of the Merlin engine just blasting away delta-v... I wonder how many g's it takes on that final burn?
Would a drougue have simply added too much weight or too much complexity to deploy? I guess slowing down the freefall velocity before the burn just doesn't really help all that much?
Amazing that Falcon Heavy will have 27 Merlins on board.
Anyway, they don't seem to have any problem managing the vertical velocity. It's been the horizontal each time. And this time, only a tiny bit off.
Never mind the weight: the problem sited with this landing was excessive lateral velocity. A drogue chute would have the potential to make that problem worse rather than better.
If you deliver your primary objectives well and keep improving at everything else in the process, your customers will keep on loving you for it.
That said, impressive video. This shows how close they are truly getting.
Unfortunately, it doesn't stop clickbait headlines that imply that this was a setback (for a while, drudgereport was running a story with the headline akin to "SpaceX rocket fails to land on landing pad"). Maybe that is why the video was made private, out of fear of appearing like a failure.
Of course, now that the cat is out of the bag they are better off embracing the video.
So you can't just come to a near-hover, and then ease you way onto the landing pad. You have to cancel your velocity right at touchdown, with little margin for error.
Look at a couple of the issues they've faced and managed to deftly conquer. Take vehicle design, for example. If you design a purely expendable launcher you tend to want to minimize engine count and concentrate on 2nd stage performance, which leads to a design with an expensive 2nd stage and a cheaper 1st stage with very little throttle authority (due to using a small number of engines). That makes reuse very difficult and not very worthwhile because you'd need to either try to reuse the 2nd stage (a much more challenging task) or to heavily modify the 1st stage, which would then only save the cheapest component of the launcher. So if you want to concentrate on reuse you need a vehicle like the F9, with lots of 1st stage engines, and most of the cost in the 1st stage.
But even then you need to figure out how to run your business. It would be easier to envision the launcher with reuse an integral part of the design from day 1, which would lead you towards testing the reusability aspects of the design prior to the first launch. But that would be tremendously expensive and would make it more difficult to keep a company running while that was going on. SpaceX has been able to provide numerous orbital launches with their rocket and earn a tremendous amount of revenue before it is capable of actually being operated in a reusable fashion. A common engineering dictum is "you ain't gonna need it", to avoid introducing unnecessary design elements that aren't strictly immediately necessary. But without designing the Falcon 9 with reuse in mind from day 1 they would have had a much more difficult time in developing the reusable aspects. Note that SpaceX has made use of hundreds of millions of dollars of flight hardware in their various landing tests, all of which they not only didn't have to pay for out of pocket but actually earned a profit for. That's smart business. Meanwhile, for all of the launches where they haven't attempted landings they've added operational experience and real-world testing of their overall vehicle design and components.
Big, bureaucratic companies that are bringing in billions a year in revenues (like ULA or Arianespace) don't tend to engage in behavior like this, because they don't have the hunger, they don't have the boldness, they don't have the coherent foresight. What SpaceX has done is something that a lot of other companies are going to replicate, likely fairly successfully, once it's been proven. But getting to that point has required not just engineering acumen but enormous risk management skills and business savvy. They'll have a significant market advantage due to their head start for quite some time, and hopefully they will retain enough boldness and savvy to continue moving ahead even as others attempt to catch up.
But the economics is probably more important. The incumbents have such sky-high development costs that reusability seemed like an impossible task to do economically. Last time anyone tried they came up with STS, which was highly capable but ultimately dangerous and ruinously expensive. A new reusable system seemed like it would take half a trillion dollars in development, and would probably never have the flight rate to make it worthwhile. Elon thought that he could do it better. NASA believes designing a reusable system would be too expensive for them. They're probably both right.
Arm chair rocket science is fun.
Since valves cannot open instantaneously, the control system has to know how long the valve takes to open/close, and start that process a little bit early so the valve is open when it needs to be open. If something goes wrong with the valve, it doesn't open as quickly, and so the computer model thinks it should be open and isn't, which could easily go off into an unstable state.
The "lag" is a delay between your steering signal and the state of the system changing in response. In this case, because of static friction, valves controlling fuel flow reacted with delay (I'm not sure if they're talking about Merlin's valves or attitude control engines though) - so the rocket did not react immediately after being told to do so.
There's a whole math field around that topic, known as "control theory". There are ways to determine the limits of inputs and outputs that will allow your control system to keep everything in the desired state. In this case however, the input lag wasn't accounted for and it pushed the system out of the space of stable states, beyond the ranges where the control unit could keep up with the changes, so it ended up oversteering. Fortunately, in this case it's mostly a software problem, i.e. they could tweak the controller to deal with the lag.
The best way to imagine it is to recall your first experiences with a bike or ice skates - trying to balance yourself on them is exactly the kind of thing the rocket was doing, probably with similar results.
My control theory is a bit rusty nowadays, but I hope this clears up some things.
[0] - if you ever hear about "PID controller", this is exactly where the name comes from - proportional, integral, derivative.
So looks like if they can solve for modeling this latency (likely a software problem), there's a decent shot they'll nail it the next time around?
It sounds like the fuel valves which control the engine's throttle took longer to turn up or down the rocket than expected.
The control system that is constantly processing rocket position and turning that into throttle outputs couldn't handle how long it took for decisions to turn into actions. That tends to cause wobbling in most controllers (overshoot, undershoot, etc).
If it hovered for 5 seconds at .5 meters, for example, could it burn off enough extra fuel?
The Falcon 9 cannot hover. The thrust of the single landing engine, even when throttled down to minimum, will provide significant lift to the empty rocket. That's part of what makes this maneuver so difficult and so awesome: it's called the hoverslam, where you achieve 0m altitude and 0m/s velocity at time = 0.
For reference, though, the Grasshopper/F9R-dev1, could hover due to it only having 3 engines, not 9, and because they could ballast it with additional fuel.
Also known as making a "suicide burn", at least in the KSP world.
Also, falling over almost certainly also leads to a writeoff, as otherwise they'd just fly the rocket into a big pit of fire retardant foam blocks.
I'd imagine that the lateral stresses involved in a crash landing are more than enough to write off the rest of the rocket, and so the explosion would just make the barge slightly harder to clean up.
They probably are spending more effort into not letting it fall over.
What's the main obstacle to slowing down and stabilizing the rocket on its descent to the platform? Is it just a matter of speed or also the shape of the rocket and its center of gravity? Would a set of 3 parachutes might slow it down a little bit or at the very least straighten it before the rockets need to kick in saving some fuel?
I don't think incoming velocity is much of a problem. Terminal velocity is gonna be no more than 90 m/s. The engines on that stage are more than capable of slowing it down--and fast. In fact, they're too powerful--it can't hover.
I wonder if each burn starts with the RCS thrusters to turn the stage "nose up".
i.e. when it's free falling, does it always roll around and fall nose down, requiring RCS to get it back to nose up?
It would be awesome to see footage from the entire return trip. Do they have cameras mounted on stage 1?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grid_fin
I believe they are less to "keep it upright", but for better accuracy. The rocket doesn't really having a hard time staying upright because all of the weight is on the bottom where the engines are.
It could be as simple as a huge ring of cable that just closes around the top of the rocket, then pulls it tight on all sides- like the guidelines on a tower to keep it stable.
Maybe they don't want to do that because they think they can do it without it?
If they master vertical landing without external support equipment, they can pull it off on Mars as well. I think that's their other goal here.
I like the 'but then it can't land on mars' answer too though.
Don't forget the barge is also actively controlled to keep it stable. If you have sufficient control systems, you don't need mechanical aids. Just like humans can walk on two legs every day our whole lives using our brains, so we don't need four for "extra safety".
Won't one stray wave tip it right over into the ocean?
Those landing struts are only 1/10 the length of the rocket.
If this wasn't so tall, it wouldn't be nearly the problem that it is.
Are they perhaps really trying to develop a Dragon landing system?
And using this extra tall rocket as a worst-case scenario?
> What happens once it lands successfully?
It becomes a lot easier to get permission to attempt a landing on dry land. But, as I understand it, they will always need to land some rockets at sea. In the long run, they hope that they can then re-use the rocket, which will drastically reduce the cost of launches.
> Are they perhaps really trying to develop a Dragon landing system?
They almost certainly are, but this is unrelated to that, I believe.
> And using this extra tall rocket as a worst-case scenario?
No. The length of the rocket is ultimately determined by the amount of fuel it needs to carry. The first stage will always be very long like this. Note that this rocket came from a successful mission which launched a Dragon capsule to the ISS on a re-supply/science mission.
Yeah, this is something I didn't realize. Flying back to land requires fuel, which cuts into the payload capacity. If a payload is too close to capacity, a sea landing may be the only option.
"Mostly gravity. The center of gravity is pretty low for the booster, as all the engines and residual propellant is at the bottom. We are going to weld steel shoes over the landing feet as a precautionary measure."
http://www.tor.com/blogs/2015/01/elon-musk-iain-m-banks-just...
Granted, this is in slow motion. I just would've expected the engine to be gimballing to the other side even before there was a noticeable rotation.
Edit: i.e. landing on a net stretched (under the lake/ocean-surface) by 3 or 4 ships - reel the net it in to raise stage out of the water, I'm pretty sure seawater is not significantly corrosive from 2-3 hours of exposure.
Landing on a dry surface means they can eventually reuse rockets soon after landing (a few days I believe).
Also, there's no land downrange from the launch site, and returning the stage to land at the launch site costs a lot of extra fuel. It is possible and actually planned to do so later (SpaceX is constructing a landing pad for this purpose at the Cape at this time), but for now they are trying to get the ship landings down properly.
There's a cool mock-up video of what that might look like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ca6x4QbpoM
Seawater is incredibly corrosive and as it evaporates it leaves behind a fine layer of sea salt. Since these were SRBs, they had few moving parts. They were completely disassembled and the individual components were inspected and recertified prior to the next launch.
Also, just to give you some scale of how crazy the Space Shuttle program was: the SRBs are the largest lift platform that was ever in use. ICBMs are fireworks compared to them. To land in the water, the SRBs needed not one but 3 of the largest parachutes ever produced.
Some of the parts from the first missions were re used on the last. The SRBs weren't disposable, but they were essentially refurbished after each launch.
Is it correct to say that this landing control system never tries raising the craft vertically?
So if you do raise it up, you'd have to stop the engine, then wait a little and re-light it again.. which I think is tricky to do, and the engines only have so many "re-light" cycles in them, so you don't want to use up too many , else you can't re-use the thing for another real flight.
I'm sure theres a perfectly good reason for this, there's a reason SpaceX has its reputation, but i'm curious as to why.
If they can't get them on the ground reliably with just the Merlins after trying enough, then maybe they'll do something like that. But if it's a simple matter of software and a handful of tests, as it seems may be the case, then they've saved a lot of effort and cost.
The other answer is that the F9 architecture was designed (and flying) before this mode of recovery was "the one". And they'd prefer to not redesign the thing if it can work as-is. So they'll try it and see before spending gobs of money on a re-design. Rockets aren't software (except to the extent they are) and changing things about them is dangerous and expensive.
Yup; the point is, SpaceX is not trying to just recover the first stage, they're trying to solve the vertical-landing of rockets for rapid reusability - which is vital not only for cost reduction, but for their plans to go to Mars. Because if they solve landing here, they can use the very same technique to land on Moon, Mars and other planets.
If they get a the 1st stage down on the drone ship, with all four legs touching, the main engine shut off, and it stays upright for even a few seconds, there will be much celebration. They would, of course, want to then actually examine the rocket afterwards, but that is a bonus.
What was the intention behind not doing a water landing, like with the Space Shuttle boosters/tank?
The barge, I suspect, is simply for safety/liability at this point ;)
(Even if I'm dead wrong, and they want to land it on a barge forever: seawater is some nasty, corrosive shit that I wouldn't want my rocket dunked into! :)
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/588142879245238273
I can't seem to find what type of plane it is though.
...I bet otherwise the Russians or Chinese would love to get their hands one of them :)