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Of course I would, since they already do. Whatever I submit is checked by them anyway, and it's generally too expensive and painful to challenge them. So…why do I have to pay the Intuit tax every year?

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In my country (Denmark) it has now become much easier to file taxes, and most taxpayers don’t need to do anything at all if the government prepared return does not need changes.

Even before it became that easy, it was always possible to get a so-called “R75” statement before filing. R75 contains all the information that the tax authority has on you for a given tax year, including all filings from employers, banks, stock brokers, lenders, etc. That way it was easy to see if you missed anything and to double check the return.

(Today R75 is easily available online.)

IRS has a lot of information from W-2 and 1099 filings, but it’s not possible to quickly and easily get that. A FOIA or Privacy Act request would probably not be processed in time to be useful for a tax return, and it might raise suspicion. Mailing all the reported information to taxpayers, without pre-filling a tax return, would be a good first step to making tax time easier in the US.

Well they don't check them when you submit them as they don't have all the information at the same time you do. Your W2 by law must be sent to you by the end of January I believe, however delivery to the IRS is not required by the same date.

As such fraud creeps in.

You pay Inuit because there are nearly eighty thousand pages of tax law that even IRS workers cannot properly comprehend all because politicians use the IRS as a political tool to benefit those they like and punish those they don't.

Hence why any attempt to overhaul the tax process is quickly denounced by supposed neutral groups; groups at the beck and call of powerful political interest. There is an entire FUD industry built to keep the current system to benefit of the political class and those well off enough to pay them.

Intuit doesn't know tax law better than IRS workers, they just spend lots of money lobbying Congress to prevent simplified filing processes.

Intuit is one if the powerful political interests you refer to, an integral part of the FUD system you talk about built to keep the current system as-is for their own benefit.

Wait till you try to figure taxes on employee stock purchases that you do through payroll deductions. I could not get a straight answer even from the IRS, to the point some told me to track each share back to its original purchase price and fill a form per affected shares. When you call and get a different answer each time it screams that the system is to complex.

Intuit is a convenient fall guy and nothing more. The real threat is that if the system were simpler and more open it could not be used to political advantage.

No, they don't. They don't know how much I paid in sales tax, property tax, or mortgage interest. They don't know how much I donated to various charities. They don't know how much I made from cash jobs. They don't know how much my small side business made or lost. There are a whole slew of variables the IRS doesn't know until I tell them, and that they take my word for until and unless I get audited.

And thats why you can do it your self. Forcing everyone to perform a repetitive task which can be easly automated (for 90% of people) is not a sensible default to take.

According to another post by someone who actually worked tax prep[1], it's more like 30%. In light of that and the delay in the IRS receiving the information from other parties, it does seem like a reasonable default.

The real problem is that the US tax code is horribly, unnecessarily complicated.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9381067

Most taxpayers don't have enough deductions to itemize, cash jobs, or side business income. You'd still have the option to file a return if there's additional income or deductions the IRS doesn't know about.

Also, I believe mortgage interest is reported to the IRS.

They actually do know many of those things--e.g., mortgage interest you get in a 1098 is also filed with the IRS. There is no reason the IRS couldn't pre-prepare returns based on what is already required to be filled with them and precomputed taxes based on them, and still provide you the option of providing additional data. It would be easier for those work no additional info but also for those who needed to put some additional info, as a lot of the work that needs done now would already be done.

Well, there is a reason, and is that tax preparation software and services companies spend lots of money lobbying Congress to keep the existing system since simplified filing would kill much of their business.

I used to be in an investment partnership and prepared the tax returns for said partnership. We filled the return out and sent it to the IRS in parallel with the members getting their K1 forms. The members actually got the forms before the IRS did. In order for the IRS to know what each member should have on their return the IRS would have to process the business' return first.

All those other forms are the same way. 1098s and 1099 are sent to the IRS at the same time they are sent to the taxpayers. The IRS takes who knows how long to process those forms from all the various generators, and it is highly likely that most people are done with their tax returns before the IRS gets to the forms submitted by the banks and brokerages. Same thing again for W2s.

So yes, the IRS has all this information. Eventually. They do not have it by the deadline they set for people to make their tax accounts right.

> So yes, the IRS has all this information. Eventually. They do not have it by the deadline they set for people to make their tax accounts right.

To the extent that is true for some information simply due to filing and delivery deadlines and processing times for various forms, the policy changes necessary to rectify it are fairly trivial to implement alongside any provision allowing IRS precomputation.

That the IRS does not have all of the necessary information until after individual tax returns are due is probably because people have to file their own taxes. They don't need those forms until people file their own taxes, because they don't need to verify until after the taxes are filed. That can be changed, if we want the IRS to send people provisional reports that say, "Here is what we think [you owe | we owe you]. If you agree, sign and return. Otherwise, file using the appropriate forms."

>So…why do I have to pay the Intuit tax every year?

Because you choose to?

Because Intuit bribes, er contributes to, Congress.

How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing http://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-maker-of-turbotax-...

Intuit is obviously a parasite, but do you have to use their products?

I don't use their products, but gosh darnit they still keep bribing Congress.

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