OVH threatens to leave if latest French surveillance law passes

OWS do have a point about SMS metadata leakage though.

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Where do I say that? What I am saying is that French intelligence services do not care what the law say, and the government is not interested in having existing laws enforced. As long as there is no independent entity to control their activity, with real power, these laws may as well be printed on toilet paper.

> Even if we can't prevent spies from spying, at least we don't have to worry about the evidence they collect being used in court.

That is a fair point, but if law enforcement agencies like Tracfin are already using this data anyway, it means we are not protected with the current laws.

That's a distinctly US concept. In Europe in general all evidence is a priori admissible no matter how it was collected. It is them up to the lawyers and judges to argue that the way this evidence was collected makes it inadmissible in this situation on a case by case basis.

So as long as an argument can be made that the illegality of the method used to collect the evidence didn't affect the reliability of the evidence then it can be used.

That is an argument to make surveillance legal. If the illegal surveillance is indeed useful in court proceedings to prosecute other illegal actions, then it makes sense to make the surveillance legal so that the true criminals can be brought to justice. The legal principles of appropriate measures should still apply - surveillance should not be used to prove jaywalking but rather be used to combat more serious crimes.

Appropriate use of surveillance should be legal. The problem with illegal surveillance is when it is used to record legal behaviour and control citizens behaving legally but perhaps indecent. Such as recording amoral behaviour of political dissidents or political opposition and later releasing it to the press to gain politically. Gathering evidence of homosexuality of a priest or union leader could be another example, and use this surveillance to stop the union leader from becoming a problem for the political power.

Also, surveillance used today can be used by a future power for nefarious purposes. Imagine that Hitler would have been able to access 10 years of video recordings of synagogues, which may have been originally recorded for the purpose of protecting the synagogues from attacks. The recordings can be used for something else entirely in the future.

Surveillance in general is a very powerful weapon and should be treated like all powerful weapons - with respect and very carefully.

I am under the impression that the law is about legalizing what the state is already doing. Did I miss something? As France is in the middle of a multi year process of replacing the copper network with optical fiber, it means that France is on the path for a 50 years additional delay before the digital world changes its society right when France was catching up.

I am not sure what you mean by this.

> Lastly the practical difference is that this law may push the country to the far right extremist nationalist and racist party Front National at the next elections, which would inherit of those tools and have everything to turn France in a totalitarian state.

Don't they already have that?

> On a side note, this law has spawned a reboot France movement which aims at leveraging the Internet and crowndfunding to get change the whole political system to an actual democracy based on the internet: http://rebootlafrance.fr

They certainly have good intentions, but they sound like a small band of young geeks with little knowledge of politics and no funding. I am not convinced the issue will be solved by yet one more tiny political party. >

France has a very problematic justice system and giving them more authority is very unwise.

So, I don't have doubts about the fact that EU has the right and the power to do something.

You can't trust a company.

So generally speaking, you either vote for Holande/Sarkozy or you're gonna face the same kind of treatment. And from what I've seen so far, LePen apart, you don't have any other politician is likely to go a head to head with Merkel.