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You'd lose the bet. Keyboard is $129, docking station is $199, pen is $49.

You got me there. My point, as you no doubt know, was that they're advertising a low headline price and then jacking it up with 'optional' extras that provide core functionality.

The competition (ipad / android tablets) doesnt come with keyboard either.

But iPads and Android tablets don't have a UI that practically requires the precision of a trackpad. Obviously you don't have to use the Desktop on your Surface 3, but Microsoft is clearly pushing that as a core feature.

I can't speak for the Surface 3, but I have owned a Surface Pro 3 for a good while now. I _never_ use the trackpad. Browsing, office, even doing software development can all easily be done using finger and pen (for when you need finer control). I've gone so far as to check if there is a Type Cover for it that doesn't have the trackpad, but uses the space for something else.

I know it's the popular thing to say that Windows 8 isn't fit for touch devices, but it's outdated and usually only reiterated by people who don't have any proper experience doing it.

You can use a $5 mouse or keyboard from any manufacturer with it. It's got USB and Bluetooth. Nothing about the UI requires the undersized "trackpad" built-in to the keyboard covers.

You can use it just like an ipad, without a keyboard. Or you can buy keyboard and use it as a laptop and a tablet. What core functionality are you talking about?

Do ipads or other competitors come with keyboards, pens, covers? Seems they are right in the market then doesn't it?

No, but they also aren't shown on the company's product page with a keyboard in the photo and "Great pen experience" as a subheader.

http://www.apple.com/ipad/ vs http://www.microsoft.com/surface/en-us/products/surface-3

I say he wins the bet. Those prices are ridiculous.

How does a docking station cost as much as an entire media PC?

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