Why I killed my standing desk
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When I stand at my desk, I'll do it until I feel uncomfortable/fatigued. When I sit at my desk, I stand when my back and legs get tight. It's that simple.
Edit: see athenot's top-level comment.
I tried it at the store, and I was surprised at how smooth and fast the motor was, especially given the price.
http://iamnotaprogrammer.com/Ikea-Standing-desk-for-22-dolla...
[1] http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/376/3321/or...
Before I made a big purchase decision, however, I figured I'd set one up using some spare furniture as stands just to make sure the idea worked for me.
For the first 30 minutes of standing, I wondered "wtf was I thinking?" After standing for an hour, I did get used to it.
After a couple of weeks, I realized a stand-only table was actuallly not a good idea for me. It wasn't so much related to fatigue (I do squats periodically to break the monotony and get the blood flowing), but I realized that for me, some work was just better done sitting.
My hand-eye coordination was never good to start with, and it was a little less precise (or maybe I'm a little less patient) when standing. I find that mouse-intensive work like manipulating an SVG in Inkscape or placing objects in a PowerPoint requires me to sit down.
I'm actually thankful I set up my temporary standing setup, because I realized that for a long term solution, I need either a sit-stand desk, or a something like a Varidesk (http://ca.varidesk.com/) or a Winston (http://www.lcdarms.com/winston-sit-stand-workstation.php).
I ended up ordering a base [0], and bolted on an 8'x3' melamine sheet from Home Depot [1] (they chopped off 1 foot, lengthwise, in the store).
Three extra things I had to do to make this work:
1.) I had read that unsupported melamine will sag. I bought a thin steel beam [2] to add support in the middle. They chopped it in half in-store and it fits nicely between the base and the top.
2.) Iron-on edge banding [3] will "finish" the sides.
3.) I failed a couple times at getting the adjustment console attached to the bottom of the table. You have to pre-drill some holes near the width of your screw, and you have to make sure your screw isn't so long that it comes out the other side(!). The diameter of the head matters too. You'll see why when you see the console. Order the base first, and when you go to Home Depot take the console thing with you to find the appropriate screws.
Now I have a sturdy, 8 foot(!) adjustable desk. If it starts sagging in a couple years (and it very well might), I can spend $25 for a new top. I should point out that I'm not that good at building things, and this wasn't too bad. The hardest part was getting an 8'x3' board from Home Depot back to my house (they'll rent you a truck for like $20 if you need it).
At the same time, I switched my chair to a red exercise ball ($30 at Target). I think this was a really good idea (even if one doesn't change their desk), if only for the fact that when I'm standing on a conference call I have this giant ball to mess around with, now. Others might be able to speak to health benefits.
I also had to ease into standing, like others have mentioned. I started with standing for two half-hour chunks a day, for maybe three days, then bumped it up to two 1-hour chunks a day, etc. Now I'm at about two 3-hour stints a day, which is probably where I'll stay.
In three months with this setup, my back feels 10 years younger and I'm much better at standing (both the state of standing as well as standing up from a sitting position*), getting out of bed and bending down to pick stuff up (most notably shoes and small family members). I also walk taller and have better posture.
[0] http://www.thehumansolution.com/uplift-900-electric-sit-stan...
[1] http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded-Melamine-White-Panel-Co...
[2] http://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-1-in-x-72-in-Plain-Steel...
[3] http://www.homedepot.com/p/Unbranded-13-16-in-x-250-ft-White...
But if you were sitting, you would get a half squat out of having to get up to get coffee etc. ;)
Couple of months ago I was in Bali and I saw local women weaving fabrics. They would sit for hours with their legs straight on the ground and a perfectly straight back, like a letter L; no back support of any kind (try it!). Bad back? That's western problem. We sit in our "comfortable" chairs with "lumbar support" and slowly decay.
When I started doing deadlifts I found the posture quite strange and the motion felt very unnatural. Too many things too keep track of. But my trainer would point out all my mistakes and I'd improve, bit by bit. After few months the results are great.
Standing is in the same bucket. It is a physical activity. One shouldn't assume it is something that humans are just supposed to be able to do right without practice. Most certainly not after years of bad habits. If you don't have the proper physique it's going to hurt. If your posture is bad it is going to hurt. So figure out what are you doing wrong and fix it!
People are so presumptuous. What are they going to arrogantly assume next? That they can breathe properly without proper training; that they can socialize without a dating coach; that they can chew food properly without getting digestive problems; that they can listen to their own intuition without a consultation by a life coach?
Of course it's going to take training, as building up any muscles does, and it's going to be tough while you're doing it.
I'm glad to see others here saying they're happy with their standing desks. It's something I've been really eager to try but haven't been able to for a number of reasons yet.
Whatever the future is, I don't think it's sitting at 90 degrees at a small desk for long periods of every day.
Personally I find it very hard to recline and get work done. I find it harder to engage with what I'm doing, get drowsy more quickly, etc.
I've also found that a big factor in how much I stand (and enjoy standing) is what I'm standing on. Comfortable shoes and a padded mat make the all the difference and stop my legs from getting sore as quickly. At first, my experiences were pretty similar to this authors, but I've since warmed up to it a bit more.
Completely the wrong approach. Fighting chronically tense muscles with more tension is not going to help anything, standing or sitting.
It worth noting that muscles can only pull. He should have been trying to relax the tense muscles rather than trying to counter with more tense muscles. This is not easy though. Have a look into the Alexander Technique or Feldenkrais Method, or the book Somatics by Thomas Hanna for some different approaches to re-educate your sense of kinesthesia.
http://www.amazon.com/Somatics-Reawakening-Control-Movement-...
These are popular with dancers, who generally move with a lot more grace and less effort than the average computer geek.
About 2 months ago I decided to reorganize my office and I put the sitting desk across the office looking at a wall and the standing desk by a nice window view. With that little bit of change I started using the standing desk more and more and now I use it all day.
One important note: I've also been taking a break every 1.5 hours (I have several alarms set on my phone) to do some hamstring stretches on the floor. I bought some cheap interlocking foam flooring that I sit on for stretching. On the days I ignore the reminders to stretch I do start getting a tense back by the mid/end of the day. Maybe I should add some squats...
With that setup, I could switch between sitting and standing, while keeping a straight back.
[1] http://www.wayfair.com/Office-Star-Products-Height-Adjustabl...
When I come home, I routinely take my outdoor shoes off. I spent most of my time at home sitting at my desk, but last year I began to learn bass guitar. I found that standing to play for less than an hour was enough to wipe me out for the entire evening, with knock-on exhaustion until the next day.
I have pes cavovarus - a deformity of the feet characterised by high arches and inward turned heels. When I finally got orthotics and placed them into my outdoor shoes, walking suddenly became easier and instances of debilitating cramp reduced in frequency and severity.
Following my experiences with playing my bass, I placed a spare pair of orthotic insoles into my slippers. This was not something my medical team had suggested previously. Suddenly I found it less exhausting to stand for extended periods. The change was actually quite immediate and significant.
Flat arches are far more common than what I have, but I suspect the same concept still applies - and orthotics for flat arches are far more widely available to consumers!
I opted for an adjustable standing desk that I love. After doing a lot of research I ended up going with a brand called EvoDesk (http://www.evodesk.com). Their parent company is NextDesk, which has nice products, but cost more than I was willing to spend for what I wanted.
I ended up getting the smallest desk they have (48"). With all of the options, including the speakers it came out to around $1,000, which I consider reasonable for a tool I use ~14hrs a day, ~everyday. Though, I ordered the keyboard platform add-on, but didn't like it (I'm fairly tall) so it's sitting in the closet.
I've had it for a couple weeks now and love it. I stand anywhere from 1hr - 6hrs/day depending on what's going on. This isn't the best image of the desk, but I took this picture the other week for a "show us your office" thread: http://imgur.com/ybIEoqB The desk is at sitting height. The bubble looking thing under the desk is the subwoofer for the Harman Kardon sound system option that came with it. You could probably order it for $30 or so cheaper separately on Amazon, but I didn't want to hassle with drilling/finding my own screws. It has 4 height memory presets. I'm 6'1" and the highest desk height is about 6" higher than what I use standing.
Now that I have a standing desk I can't imagine going back, but I'd definitely want an adjustable desk. If I had to choose between a fixed sitting desk or a fixed standing desk I'd choose a fixed sitting desk.
No, it's attached very securely to the desk so it doesn't rattle.
If I play hip hop with a lot of bass and turn it up loud you can feel the bass hit as you'd expect to, but nothing on the desk shakes, it's pretty sturdy. Besides, I only turn it up that loud when my wife and I are hanging out in the living room, not while I'm working.
I tend to find the reclining & feet up posture described near the end the most comfortable for me, though it also tends to make me drowsy. Ergonomics "experts" however have told me again and again that the sitting upright position is the best for my back, which seems to contradict this article.
Standing seems like "paleo" to me. Our ancestors did it so it must be best, am I right brah? They died younger or had much worse old age, but I guess it depends on the definition of best/better as well as definition of spine.
Edit: emphasize sarcasm
What's wrong with an adjustable desk that lets you change postures to whatever you feel more comfortable at any given moment? I know I wouldn't use it in a standing position all the time, but maybe some of the time?
I think it was helping me not slouch so much - so probably good for my back.
But then, with our newborn (colic, etc.), I was just so exhausted in general, that I found I'd arrive at work and not have the energy to stand upright for more than an hour or so, and sometimes just walking upstairs to my desk would make me feel out of breath and floppy.
So when I had to move offices, I simply couldn't be bothered to re-set up all the stuff I'd need for a standing desk, and resorted to a chair. I've only been back in the chair for a month or so, so I don't know if my posture will end up as awful as before. Maybe the thing to do is to use a standing desk half the year, and a sitting desk the other half... An adjustable desk would be best, but either expensive, or complicated.
"The key is to do some activity every day. It doesn’t have to be a five-mile sprint. A walk to and from work, taking the stairs, or some squats while you’re waiting for your lunch can be enough to do the trick."
Sounds exactly like the stuff smokers say to justify their smoking habit.
I don't want to defend any religion (the standists? lol), i can just say that i like it, and i like it so much that after 3 years of standing i would keep doing that and i would really suggest to everybody to try for at least 3/4 months. You need time to get really used to it. After that make your decision.
Now that I think about it, when I switched from sitting to walking, I got a tall sit/stand stool so I could switch a lot. It was a really cheap stool, and it put my butt and legs to sleep in 10-20 minutes. It was so uncomfortable that I would only use it when standing was starting to hurt, and I'd sit until sitting was starting to hurt, and then have to stand again. That stool didn't last long, but it might have helped me transition more than I thought.
Here's a pic of my biz partner modeling one during our recent office move: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-UNFNw1p6-Xw/VG_WYEYFfYI/A...
Sitting in my home office leather/traditional chair causes my feet to go cold, the ball chair doesn't have this same side effect.
Also, leaning in a pinching your neck muscles/nerves is a major factor. Make sure you're screens are high enough, and close enough to discourage this behavior.
Solution: Good office chair with a back rest and a fat rectangular beanbag propped on top of the chair.
Pros: I can adjust my sitting position. Cons: I have to reset the beanbag because it de-forms after a while of climbing on top of it and out of it.
1. Sitting isn't actually that bad for you, so there's no rush to get on a standing desk
2. He found standing too uncomfortable and distracting to focus properly on actual work
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[1]: My take from a quick scan, for those who don't want to read.
It was a cheap arm and a cheap desk. A cheap desk with a better arm might have turned out better. I am kind of wishing I had looked at a few more desks, but I worked things out by shimming the monitor arm and putting 110 pounds of lead on the desk to stabilize it. I hope that doesn't burn the motor out!
The sit/stand functionality works well. If you go to Ikea you can see one in person in the US. Their stock info was wrong when I went and they didn't have the regular desk only the corner desk which was 100$ more.
The secret is definitely that it should be adjustable, that is you should be able to vary between sitting and standing. I switch about 4 to 5 times per day.
It's glaringly obvious that you're not supposed to stand and work the whole day. I don't understand how the author of the linked post (and many other "standing desks suck" articles) didn't realize this.