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> you're making too many criminals

80% of property crime goes unsolved, so unless you legalize vandalism and theft there are going to be criminals.

Perhaps this is another way out of our problem? We could encourage police to "solve" property crimes rather than drug crimes? In analogy to their awful drug-war asset seizures, perhaps they could get a cut of items recovered/reimbursed? I'm sure they would eventually twist such an incentive structure into something else that's awful and unconscionable, but at least in the meantime they might stop with the SWAT raids?

Could we not just outlaw SWAT raids?

It's difficult (not impossible!) to directly oppose politically well-connected factions on their bread-and-butter issues. We might have more luck saying to police departments "here is another way you can have lots of money to spend" rather than "we're taking away federal support for the Drug War, which for some time has been the only way you can hire more cops and procure more equipment". The trick would be to make sure that the existing force is redirected into more benign directions, rather than simply growing to handle new activities while perpetuating the Drug War.

Can we not just defund them? Can't "Stave The Beast" be used for good?

Play it out in your head. An elected official declares he wants to try and starve a powerful and relatively popular union. What happens next?

I didn't say it was pleasant. What's necessary rarely is.

So you're advocating some sort of violent overthrow? We can't just snap our fingers and remake the political system into something completely different than it is, no matter how much Lawrence Lessig wishes we could. Grim fanatical purity is good for fundraising, but it won't get any laws passed.

No, I'm advocating for politicians to make decisions that are better for society, but will cause them to not be re-elected (similar to what happened in Australia when they outlawed firearms).

So you want the whole system to be based on the assumption that human beings are good? That is every bit as realistic as the assumption that USA is identical to Australia. b^)

I agree with you, but the Port Arthur massacre happened 8 weeks into Howard's term as PM of Australia. The Howard government was in power for 10 years after that, they won four straight elections.

Are we talking about Wisconsin governor Scott Walker? Because he survives a recall vote and then goes on to help make Wisconsin a right-to-work state.

But wait. He specifically exempted police unions from his busting legislation, didn't he?

And after giving away massive tax breaks, is now pleading that the budget can't be balanced.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2015/02/18/sc...

> To help close the state’s $283 million budget shortfall this year, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker (R) plans to skip a $108 million debt payment scheduled for May.

> By missing the May payment, Walker will incur about $1.1 million in additional interest fees between 2015 and 2017. The $108 million debt will continue to live on the books; Walker’s budget proposal for 2015-2017 will pay down no more than about $18 million of the principal.

> In March last year, Walker signed a $541 million tax cut for both families and businesses. At that point, Wisconsin was facing a $1 billion budget surplus through June 2015, the Journal Sentinel reported.

Unions have no necessary connection to the process.

The elected official's opponent in the following election simply runs a "JOHN SMITH IS SOFT ON CRIME, JOHN SMITH IS BAD FOR US AND OUR FAMILIES" campaign, and people who think public-sector unions are the devil will still vote for the opponent, because now you're pressing their bias (which is in favor of "tough on crime, lock 'em all up and throw away the key").

Their solution would probably be to conduct SWAT raids and roadblocks to find stolen property, continuing the trend of constitutionally questionable practices.

"Unsolved" is very different from "unprosecuted". The question here is why the courts are overloaded, not why there isn't additional load due to the 80% of property crimes you mention.

Or fix the underlying problems that causes vandalism and theft.

The 80% of property crime that goes unsolved is, by definition, not causing an excessive load on the court system.

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