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Since this is posted here is it a sign that HN is going to get some edge? It's probably too much to hope for... I'm sure we'll continue to be subject to the same wimpy upvoters/downvoters we've always been subject to...

This place could use some open criticism and degradation. Any criticism of ridiculous start-ups or bad science is criticized for not being open-minded, for ridiculing someone's life's work. Well, sometimes it's deserved.

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I never understand the confusion between "criticism" and "rudeness".

There is already too much rudeness and this should be downvoted (and flagged if needed). It's weird to call such downvoting wimpy.

There's criticism and then there's "criticism." I see plenty of criticism of ridiculous startups and bad science and bad articles here so I don't know what you're getting at. See for example the recent Bengali unicode thread. But usually if a thing has obvious criticisms then there's no point in people stomping on that, it's just dumb and obvious and nobody cares to read the unneedful.

yes, HN is truly exemplary in its rigorous self-examination

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