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Comment by callesgg | Hacker News Reader

Good, could people just stop messing with how scrolling works.

I have a default zooming of 125% and nobody seems to know how to make the web work for us with disabilities, not even gmail works well.

Scrolling pages always look weird for me. Image libraries like lightbox are a special pain in the ass.

Would you willing to provide me any detail about the issues you run into with Gmail?

The most prominent, composing a new email. The floating window appears out of bounds and it's impossible to click any buttons on the lower bar, including the send button.

What I do is tabbing all the way down so the floating window reorganizes allowing me to send the email.

I use window 8's built-in scaling to put everything at 125% too because my laptop screen is a 15-inch 1920x1080 and I find with that kind of pixel density I need to make things a little bit bigger. It's ridiculous how many things are broken when doing this.

I think in the last major updated they made it really worse. No horizontal scrolling ever. My father has severe AMD (Age-related Macular Degeneration) and has to zoom very heavily. One day I went to his computer to fix his gmail to be welcomed with a white screen. It was just after they made the shiny new compose popup. It was placed so nicely that only the empty white center was visible. It confused the hell out of me for a moment let alone my father.

I know scaling Gmail is a gigantic effort but I don't really understand this part (can anyone enlighten me). Gmail essentially has two core pages, the inbox (or list) and compose and tens of millions of users. If they can't fix the positioning of one compose popup how will the rest of us manage?

A fair disclaimer in my own work I'm not sure how good we are in handling these issues but we do have a lot more UI and UI changes. It just makes me feel hopeless.

I'm with you, but I'm a power user. I wonder if anyone has any sentiment analysis showing whether the average web user likes this sort of thing, or finds it annoying.

I'm probably a "power user" as well, but I literally cannot navigate the site. It's like 1/3 of my scrolls don't even register.

This isn't "design for the masses," it's just plain broken.

Edit: I don't know why I'm being downvoted, it must be working for some people. Here is a video of me trying to scroll (in Chrome) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulAw0P2geRE

I'm able to scroll perfectly fine with Conkeror (and by extension Firefox).

Think of it less like an ordinary web page and more like a slideshow, since that's basically what this is.

Have you tried pressing those buttons in the lower right hand corner of the keyboard?

No, I have not and I won't.

Exactly this. It's a website, we shouldn't expect to scroll differently.

This whole fad better die soon!

Google is in the position to have done exactly this kind of analysis, and apparently the majority likes this crap. I'm glad I am not alone in hating it though.

Google, and to a certain extent Facebook, LinkedIn, and all other large web companies are in positions to make data driven design decision, and every time it's done I hear lots of complaining. I'm wondering how great data driven design really is.

On the flip side, how often do you hear that Apple's software design is driven by data analysis, and how often do you hear complaints about their designs?

> how often do you hear complaints about their designs?

Every time I turn on my MBP.

I hate Apple design, but I just don't use their products. All Apple products have a good alternative...not necessarily true for Google, Facebook, Linkedin, etc.

We are hacker news, we are professionally outraged.

My scrolling seems to work, but it is annoying. The embedded video does not work at all for me. I had to copy link location and paste it another window for it to work.

I agree, but I'm starting to get sick of every Hacker News discussion talking about this rather than the actual content of the page.

It's always worth complaining about this sort of crap, even if it doesn't have any impact on the ardent followers of web design fashion....

Is it? What does it achieve? I think anyone browsing HN knows the opinion of the average HN user on scrolljacking. If they're still doing it it's because either they don't read HN or they have data that proves it works.

Not sure why this was downvoted. I agree, after the 10th discussion on how designers are breaking scrolling, I'm not sure what is achieved apart from "yeah, that still pisses me off too!"

Honestly, I think it might help. I design websites sometimes and I'm on here. At first I was kind of into it, but HN helped me see the error in my initial excitement.

This implementation especially is incredibly obnoxious.

I agree, the scrolling experience made me exit that page quicker than I should have. This is also a good time to remind folks of Mike Bostock's excellent writeup on scrolling: http://bost.ocks.org/mike/scroll/

Ironically, it works great with the spacebar. (I've become accustomed to people breaking spacebar scrolling entirely, especially in Firefox.)

Spacebar does nothing for me in Chrome.

Bummer! I usually use Firefox to surf HN, hadn't tried it in Chrome.

Block cookies and it scrolls normally.

Browsing without cookies means tons of things are broken — including things that break other things.

That's something worth mentioning as an addendum to a more substantive comment. Making it the sole basis of your comment is the epitome of short-sightedness. As the proverb has it, when a finger points at the moon, only the fool looks at the finger.

using two finger back on the OSX trackpad is broken on this site, what a pain...

This is actually the best scrolling I've encountered in one of these glorified-slideshow types of sites, especially for those who (like me) like to scroll with the arrow keys.

Christ on a stick. I don't usually flag posts for how utterly broken the sites are, but this is beyond utterly fucking broken.

I saw the comments about iOS, it's no better on Chrome.

I hope that menu thing on the top right doesn't become a new trend...

Yeah! hate these kind of websites.

They are pretty much copying mobile paged scroll views, like iOS and co. Mobile first UIs!

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