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Beautiful piece -- whether manic or not, after one hell of a stressful day, coming home to find your dog waiting for you really brings you back to reality.

Yes, this. Cats can be stabilizing too. I can't be depressed around a cat. I haven't had a manic episode for several years so I don't know if cats have anti-manic properties or if I've just been lucky. But pets are great for mental health, no question.

His experience is different from mine. For him, the dog is a neutral character (a generally innocent animal of fairly average temperament) he has intense emotions toward, and he's begun to recognize that negative feelings toward the dog indicate a deteriorating mental state. For me, I rarely feel negative emotion for any animal except humans, and cats (and, to a lesser extent, dogs) are a stabilizer, a reminder that happiness (and not that fleeting manic kind) exists in the world. I'm pretty sure that one of my cats is a Zen master (except when in the presence of boiled or fried chicken).

It doesn't sound like he made a real, good faith effort to open up to the dog and to love him like dogs expect loving humans to act, and to bring the bonding to a new level. I think this makes the experience fundamentally different, where the dog is an emotional barometer instead of an actively positive force. I'm still glad it's a net gain relationship, though.

Some dogs really are dicks... And I'm saying that even though I love dogs.

Been thinking about whether I should get a pet. Some logistics, but also the M.I. like the guy in the piece. Not sure that the article helps my decision, but the comments here add some solidarity.

It's definitely worth a try unless you've got a very hectic schedule, or some abusive tendencies. Pets can offer a steady, simple and pure kind of love and companionship, and it comes with relatively few downsides (not very expensive, and animals are pretty up front about what they want out of the deal). If you get a shelter animal and it doesn't work out, you can take them back.

Pets are pretty dang expensive. Potentially thousands of dollars a year in vet bills, and hundreds in food, just to start. I had friends when I was a kid who had pets die because their parents couldn't afford vet bills (not very responsible to have pets when you can't afford to take care of them, but you can't tell someone not to have a pet any more than you can tell them not to have a kid). Among the people I've known, pets are quite probably the biggest nonhuman financial stressor - bigger than cars.

Shelter pets are not for everyone either, although avoiding pet store puppymill pets is obviously desirable.

It's not that bad, usually. The "thousands of dollars" events are quite rare (unless you insist on buying a breed which needs hip-replacements).

In most cases, bills of that magnitude only arise in a context where euthanasia would have been a viable option anyway.

Shelter pets are not for everyone either

Most shelter animals are just fine. I got two cats (bonded pair) from a shelter in August 2013 and they've been a dream. Shelter life isn't easy for animals, but it doesn't typically break them (a few handle it badly, but most are psychologically normal after a couple weeks in a new home).

You're taking a bet with any kind of new pet, but you're probably getting a healthier animal, on average, with a mutt from a shelter than if you get a breed animal, even from a "responsible" (i.e. not puppy-mill) breeder. The better shelters don't do that much psychiatric damage, and most of it's not long-term. This idea that shelter animals are all psychiatric/behavioral basketcases is both untrue and very damaging.

I prefer no-kill shelters for finding pets. Part of it is selfishness (I don't like feeling like not choosing an animal will condemn it to death) and some of it is ideology (I don't agree that it's "euthanasia" to kill healthy feral animals; who are we to decide that they'd be better off dead?) but I also know that NK shelters (which source from "kill"/open-admission shelters, so you're still saving a life) are staffed by people who are experts (at least, relative to me) in selecting adoptable, healthy animals who are unlikely to have behavioral problems.

If you get a shelter animal and it doesn't work out, you can take them back.

Please don't say that. Most animals that are owner-surrendered to open-admission shelters will be killed. (No-kill shelters are a better option, but tend to involve a waiting list in the 2-4 month range.) And being remit to the shelter system is arguably a severe emotional stress for the animal. I hate this idea that it's OK to abandon an animal because the puppy became an 80-pound dog, or because you're moving across the country. People should understand what they're getting into, and have plans that don't involve remitting the animal to the (overcrowded) shelter system. I have a friend who's agreed to take on our pets if my wife and I die traveling, for example.

Dogs can make life very complicated for a depressed person.

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