Someone stole naked pictures of me. This is what I did about it [video] [NSFW]
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Undox.me has very basic steps of what to do if some horrible person posting your pics without your permission.
Or at least, I fancied that.
Take photographs of a willing model (who knows what they're going to be used for); "dox" this model (release the images with fake details); collect information of the harassing people who send messages.
I'm not sure what you then do with the information of harassers.
Ploce in the UK spend a lot of time dealing with online a use. It might account for about half of all calls forwarded to frontline police.
I think the problem would be entrapment. The laws differ from country to country but I'm pretty certain that a honeypot wouldn't be legal here.
Which is unfortunate.
"Strong passwords and encryption" is hopeless because you have a key logger running on your machine - a reasonable, simple default assumption that can and should be taught instead of encryption that only works in theory (and said theory is much too complicated for most people to have time to wrap their mind around anyway.)
Those are two entirely different issues though. Just because your house requires keys to enter, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't have a house because somebody might break into it.
Educating people about security of their data is as important as educating them about the ethics and risks of sharing your data, they are not contradictory.
That being sad I disagree with the whole subtext of the story: that these people get off on the idea of a non consenting victim.
quotes from http://www.hystericalfeminisms.com/consent/: "It’s one thing to be sexualised by people who are attracted to you, but it’s quite another thing when the lack of a ‘you’, when dehumanization, is the main factor."
"Take ‘creepshots’, a global phenomenon which entails photographing women without their knowledge or consent, in order to share them in a sexual context online. On similar sites, people link to Facebook pages asking if anyone can hack or find more pictures of the girl. Here, again, women are used as objects whose lack of consent, of participation, provides the reason and allure of their sexualisation."
"This dynamic is a commonplace online and is a concrete manifestation of a larger discourse around the female body, the notion that it is erotic to sexualise someone who is unaware. We all know the tropes: the sexy teacher/student/nurse/waiter/bartender/doctor. All jobs, if staffed by women, can be sexualised. What is sexy is not the job, not even the woman, but the fact that while the woman is just doing her job you are secretly sexualising her."
Now I am sure there are people that find that arousing but I've just completed high school-university stage and my insight in my peers is a bit different. The people that say stuff like that do it mainly because they find the girl desirable, but have a problem communicating that in a normal way. In other words they are socially inexperienced and that's their way of talking to someone of sexual interest. Overanalyzing this might say that they use insults and threats as a shield to rejection. Pictures of naked people are wanted because they are pictures of naked people. Context matters and in some edge cases may be turned in a fetish but the main allure of almost all "creepshots" is sexual desirability and not the lack of consent.
Similarly I've talked to people that raped and people that were nearly stopped and the reason was always sexual tension(small sample, date rapes, rape = sex/fingering w/o consent). Control? Maybe but not the main reason at all.
It's easy to say "good job, you're stronger than that" and it is helpful. For everyone else that is not in a better mental state there should be an objective discussion from a wider viewpoint.
Anyway, the submission has been flagkilled so I guess HN is not the place for such a discussion.
This made me wonder if open source pornography exists?
I'm also having problems with the video showing the very pictures she was so embarrassed about. There is some sort of disconnect there I don't have time to go into.
Exactly; if anything, it's love and attraction to women; male nudes are much less popular online.
Pictures shown are not the one that were stolen. Those were the one she took later to reclaim feeling of control. Might not be the way I would cope, but certainly is not a disconnect with anything.
The pictures in the video are also not the ones she was embarrassed about. She explains why she had them taken in the video.
Consent: no violation.
No consent: violation.
What got to her were the thousands of men who continued to download, share and comment on the pictures.
The sites distributing her photos should be liable for damages under the DMCA though.
If you've been on the internet for any length of times, you've been called bad names and have moved on. Why can't women do the same?
It's a difference of scale. If somebody calls you a "slut" once, it's easy to assume that it's the person doing the name-calling is the one with the problem.
But what if every second e-mail you receive implies you are a slut?
So its not "hatred of women"....
Its " hatred of BEAUTIFUL women"!
These men hate beautiful women so much
No, you shouldn't blame the victim, we should be working against the sexist dynamics in society.
Of course people should be aware of risks and manage them appropriately, but it's also possible to not blame them for the abuse of others.
I really dislike this line of thought, because I think it boils the issue down to black and white, all or nothing. "... it's common sense to commit suicide" makes no sense, of course, but how about "... it's common sense not to walk alone at night in a high-crime area"?
I don't believe for a second that she "deserved what she got". But I don't think "do not put naked pictures on the internet" is bad advice either, specially considering the (very) large number of cases in which women's pictures were stolen.
Is there really no possibility for a middle ground?
There's a time and place for such advice, and this isn't it, in my opinion.
Given your stance on this, you obviously would have no issue with your full internet browsing history being made public and associated with your real name, the one by which your partner / current flirt / potential employer knows you and might find you, right? I mean, if you didn't want people to know that you're into midget goat porn, you'd just not browse for it, correct?
Second of all, as other commenters have noted, you're blaming the victim - the classic "if you don't want to get raped, don't look sexy".
So she was too dumb, and she got what was coming?
Or even worse, with the "if you don't want people to look at them" hint, perhaps she wanted this. Maybe deep down. Subconsciously or something.
That's a particularly classy form of victim blaming that. Doubly so since you created an account on HN specifically to post it.
Or, as the bible puts it "Women should be modest in their appearance. They should wear decent and appropriate clothing and not draw attention to themselves"|
Sadly this attitude seems too common to put it down to psychopathy, which is seemingly only about 1 percent of the population (though mostly male apparently).
I'm not sure where you see a suggestion of hatred, of women, or psychopathy.
If you've never been on the receiving end of a similar comment you don't know how irritating and unhelpful it is. It's not malice or hatred .. it's a lack of a different perspective and information.
If you want to find them, look for the individuals who repeatedly post derogatory comments and hateful comments under any post made by a female.
I think it's horrible and these people deserve rehabilitative punishment by law, but it's silly to label it as hate, or, when the target happens to be female, misogyny.
That's a pretty big [citation needed]. All I see is that misogyny is a disproportionally popular news item, which is not at all the same thing.
And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not productive to fixing the issue to call it hate when it's not.
I have to admit I don't have hard numbers to back my claims, but I think it would be common knowledge if men were routinely called "sluts" and threatened with rape by trolls.
> And if it's just an expression of people's mental disorders, that's not hate, and it's not productive to fixing the issue to call it hate when it's not.
Oh, for that matter, I think most racists and homophobes could use psychological help as well, but it doesn't change their behaviour.
Sexual violence online appears to be mostly aimed at women, and mostly from men. But it's not hard to find examples of men receiving those threats or women making threats of sexual violence. This is especially true for non-hetero-normative men.
It's a hard problem. Well funded companies full of smart people have tackled it and failed (youtube comments).
Just for clarity: the experience of women online is likely to be pretty miserable. Many people, of both sexes, experience hatred.
PS: I hate it when people ascribe bigoted opinions to mental illness. That excuses the behaviour whilst also stigmatising mental illhealth. Arseholes are arseholes because they're arseholes, not because they have a mental illness that causes them to be an arsehole.
But that's just a business model (granted, it doesn't make any difference to the victim). Misogynists threaten for free.
> Arseholes are arseholes because they're arseholes, not because they have a mental illness that causes them to be an arsehole.
My working hypothesis is that well-adjusted people don't spend their free time sending rape/death threats over the Internet.
If we release our energy as hate and disparagement of harassers without fixing the problem at its core (or even finding out what that is), then all we've done is used exaggeration to make ourselves feel better, and add more poison and fear to the world.
That's why I'm against calling things "misogyny" which aren't. Mind you, I do think misogyny is a real thing and a real problem, but I think it's quite buried in the social media and you'll rarely hear about it.
Real hatred isn't funny, rational, or outrageous enough to be viral, and real hatred doesn't get off on reactions. That's the difference.
The fact that you "keep hearing about them" should give you a hint. Women who come to the attention of a subsection of Internet trolls do find themselves harassed online (death threats, rape threats, etc.). See Gamergate or Adria Richards for recent examples. It's pretty well documented.
> I don't know what Gamergate is nor do I know Adria Richards and I don't intend to know all the victims in this world.
Are you both claiming that these things do not happen, and refusing information about them? That's a dishonest way of conducting a discussion.
Doesn't mean they don't exist, or aren't causing problems in the world!