Holy Shit, I Interviewed the President
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There was a time when flashing "BREAKING" in big bold letters and exclusive interviews indicated the most important things happening in the news. Now it means nothing. CNN was flashing "BREAKING" on the screens two weeks after the Malaysian airliner went down, preceding a discussion about whether or not it could have been a black hole that consumed it (that literally happened). Conversations between two parties are so canned that correspondents are even using the exact same wording as passed down by the party lines. Cable news is nothing but theater now, and to people who haven't grown up watching the news it seems very weird an disengenuous.
Focusing on externalities such as why someone became famous (a bathtub full of cereal?) lets the old guard not care about up-and-coming forms of journalism, dismissing its legitimacy. The legitimacy doesn't come from the content, but in how serious and domineering one can look when delivering the news. It's BS professionalism.
I've ended up getting most of my political news from the Charlie Rose show on public television. The vast majority of episodes are about non-newsy things, like culture, business, and philanthropy. Every once in awhile, something important is actually happening, and there are a couple episodes about it before moving on. It has only made the whole idea of always-on news seem even more ludicrous to me.
Lolwut?! They seriously discussed the possibility of a black hole opening up and swallowing the plane?
AFAIK CNN International did not have any such discussion though they did keep going on and on about the plane.
Jesus fucking christ.
This is the audience CNN has to entertain. You know... morons.
Most people still think a nice suit looks nice, and are automatically think the guy who looks like he cares about how he looks is more capable or responsible than the hippy in a hoodie.
Where this may be an exception is in tech but even then it's hardly universal. Edgar the Line Programmer and his buddies might dress like slobs because it signals they are not constrained by fuddy duddy old school managers like Mr. Rheinhard in the Matrix who was born before asynchronous IO was invented, but if you look at the people who really hold the power and money in tech, they are all wearing suits or at least looking very sharp if not actually donning a full three piece suit. There are reasons for this.
When the CEO of my company (who wears jeans day to day) goes to a meeting with a new client, we wears a suit and tie so that the first five second impression the client gets is 'he isn't taking this seriously'.
That's why this way of thinking is very much not outdated - its a quick and effective way to show commitment to something, even if in meetings going forward people are much more casual..
It's pretty obvious to me that most of the people in the news business will say whatever their paid to say, or in some cases what they think will sell more books.
I'm really tired of reading stuff like this, the idea that the president doesn't use snapchat to communicate with voters and that is why millennials don't care. Communication is not the problem. I have no problem picking up the white house message, be it through the NYT, CNN, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter, RedditAMA, Funny Or Die, The Daily Show, or anywhere else he has shown up the past couple years. The issue is that it increasingly feels like there is nothing that can be done to influence the situation. That's not just from a personal perspective - it feels like the president has a really hard time getting things done as well.
Yes and no.
He's the commander in chief and the top manager of the administration. Executive orders and simple orders. He could stop the drones. Basically any military unit. (As far as I know. Though probably while honoring the chain of command, so not directly. But disobeying a direct order is grounds for court martial, etc.)
But other than those, he could have done a lot more, on paper.
The question is do we know why he picked the people he did during his terms? Why he waited with the equal pay order? Why is he not pushing more on transparency?
And why is his team so incompetent that they botched the fucking healthcare.gov site? ACA was the big thing he pushed through Congress. And no one was keeping an eye on it?
I do think a big part of the problem is that the answer to "what should we do" has been pushed way too far up the chain. "Caring" is measured by voting patterns in presidential and congressional elections. But that's way too far up the chain, it's already too late to have an impact at that level. Impact comes from affecting the processes that control who becomes politically influential, which controls who is nominated in those elections. This is where local and state governments and other politically active institutions (including businesses) come into play, but it's not at all clear and very hard to predict in exactly which ways. Voting in elections and arguing with your parents is not even close to enough, but going further isn't an obvious path, and nobody ever talks about how to do it. From a personal standpoint, I'm interested in this stuff, and I vote, but I also recognize that I have no influence and no idea what to do about it, which isn't exactly motivating!
Find a pivot with a really long lever and jump on the end of it. The War on Terror is in full swing but we can defeat the war on drugs. You could get people to read this - or at least absorb the salient points, http://chasingthescream.com/.
A journalist who treats the President like any other interview subject and asks tough questions, even if the President gives evasive answers, is serving the public more than a group who thinks to themselves "Holy shit, I just interviewed the President."
And indeed there were a few tough questions by the first guy. It wasn't exactly a bloodbath of hostility, but is that really necessary..?
Green's point in this article is that traditional political journalism has made a mockery of this responsibility, and I for one agree with him.
We can't have Walter Cronkite anymore because political media has completely debauched itself. I'd rather have earnest if naive amateurs than however you want to describe what happens on Fox News and MSNBC. Maybe not exclusively, but at least as a counterbalance.
- the feasibility of the ideas he put forth in the SOTU
- the revolving door between industry and government
- his use and alleged overuse of drone strikes
- the long-term foreign policy strategy on North Korea
- the confusing marijuana policy in the US
I think these are all legitimate questions that the President should have to answer for. I think that there could have been follow-up questions asked, but the session didn’t seem like it was intended to be a back and forth. Obama also took a long time in answering each question, which may have been because the complexity of the issues discussed demanded long answers, or just because he wanted to run the clock.[Edit] First post, formatted bullets.
Precisely the problem with giving valuable interviewing time to people like this.
They're so happy to show up that they "don't remember a lot of the interview," let alone press for it to be a real one. (Hank Green's words on MSNBC after the interview.)
The President has stock answers for every single one of those questions, btw.
I feel like that's actually a more terrifying prospect than the fact that the younger generation doesn't watch TV news. You can mock, bash, and discredit TV news with facts and "honesty", and that's exactly what happened. But if your trusted source of news and political ideas is visceral comedy and memetic entertainment trends, that's almost immune to rational debate, since anything and everything can be dismissed as a joke.
I can imagine a future where politicians are elected on the basis of a lulzy hashtag, and that scares me way more than what we have now.
I think it's easy to co-opt these single channel people, you just pick the ones you want to talk to.
Traditional media does this by trading softball treatment for access, if you are granting access on an individual basis you can make sure you get the treatment you want.
This is how Barack Obama got elected in 2008 and 2012 #hopeandchange
But was it ever alive in the first place? Print journalism pretty much always included the Buzzfeed-style linkbait garbage: just look at any cover of any woman's magazine in the past 20 years. As for Rupert Murdoch, even though he's never won a Pulitzer Prize, he's a perfect fit for the legacy of Joseph Pulitzer and the politically-biased, sensationalist yellow journalism he made his fame and fortune from.
One of the most terrifying facts about 20th century America is the idea that three men--and the companies they were the face of--used to give all Americans all of their information about the greater world around them. They could try as hard as they could to be unbiased, but they would still have blind spots. And that's putting it charitably.
The reality we have to deal with today is that there is a cacophony of morons, partisan hacks, shills, and other unreliable narrators. But we have the benefit that, unlike the Walter Kronkites of old, they actually look as unreliable as they really are. Those of us who are interested in the truth can triangulate between them (and revel in the wealth of raw source material--smartphone videos turn every abusive police encounter into a potential Rodney King incident) and find the fact of the matter somewhere within, and those of us who are only interested in confirming their own biases can always find a way to do that anyway.
[1] http://www.democracynow.org/blog/2014/3/27/barack_obama_the_...
We also have shows similar to the Daily Show (e.g. Have I got news for you) which come along and take the mickey out of the news as well, just to be on the safe side.
As far as I'm concerned, their role is not simply to repeat endless interviews with the major political parties. They have a role to play in showing the public that other options exist. Lately they've given UKIP a ton of airtime with endless nonsense scandals like 'X says Y down the pub' and almost ignored the rise of the Greens.
Their wall to wall coverage during the 'phone hacking scandal' compared to ongoing total-surveillance by the NSA getting a token mention every now and then.
Today, they chose to describe Syriza as a 'radical left-wing party'. I don't think that choosing 'radical' in this context is an accident.
I could go on; some of my bugbears are more trivial than others; but I think they're definitely a 'mouthpiece of the establishment'.
Better than FOX? Sure; but that's not a high bar to meet.
Our electoral system is bad enough without major media outlets focusing almost all of their time on Red vs Blue.
The thought I came away with was that it was probably actually a pretty easy interview for him, not because they threw him softballs, but because there's a genuine lack of political sophistication and knowledge from the interviewers, and by extension their audiences.
I think Obama realised it too by the end, and did a reasonable job of not coming off too patronising - except for the movie bit. He could have emphasised that all of their viewers have a voice, but it only counts if they use it.
To me the questions the interviewers planned up front seem reasonably solid - what's missing is anything after Obama's responses. The interviewers don't ask follow-up questions, ask about things the answer omitted, or challenge anything that was in the answer - they just move on to the next question.
Of course it would be a mistake for us to fetishize combative interviews or to say the interviewer must always disagree with the politician regardless of what they say. But if this type of interview is the future of journalism, the interviewers need to get better at asking probing questions on the fly, not just scripted questions they've had months to come up with.
... or the interviews need to last for years.
One day!
[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyTkZDDk-hY
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkNm0AKCVGI&list=PLRJNAhZxtq...
People need to be reached specifically where they spend their time consuming information.
The world doesn't sit down at 5pm in front of their TV to see what happened in the world today.
I'm a little surprised that room is only filled with "professional journalists" on a day to day basis.
Comments like rayiner's in this thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8943501) are a perfect example. What he finds "scatterbrained" is something that works just fine for a lot of young people. They've grown up in a media-rich, active world, and they're making it their own. Their brains probably work a little bit differently from older brains.
I think the article was really well-written and made a cogent argument. I think that the facts of political engagement from youth support its argument. Whether and to what extent old politics is able to co-opt young media remains to be seen -- Obama's campaign certainly did it pretty successfully only to further disenchant a lot of young people with the political process.
But eventually their generation will become the dominant political force in this country, and if old media continues to approach politics the way it does now, it's going to die when that happens.
So there's space for both larger "legacy" operations as well as smaller independent writers and thinkers, publishing their thoughts.
The main thing is that access to distribution no longer guarantees credibility: just because you're on TV, doesn't mean you have something important/meaningful/honest/worthwhile to say. So it's up to each individual to assess the credibility of their sources; ironically, a major "critical thinking" skill taught in traditional university education, something distinctly out of favor here on HN.
It's only ironic if you believe those skills are effectively taught and learned in those classes. Do you?
Serious question. Who among here wouldn't want to be a known Youtube personality with a million subscribers? I do fantasize about this from time to time when watching .... (rspecs running).
All media organizations not just the cable news channels, but also the AP, New York Times, and others are being shut out of many events which they formerly had access to.
http://www.onthemedia.org/story/frustration-white-house-pres...
http://www.poynter.org/news/mediawire/243894/aps-white-house...
Instead the clear strategy of administration has been to limit media access and to control the narrative by launching material through there own channels. Channels such as there youtube channel "The White House" where you can find the interview Hank Green is referencing. I haven't watched the entire interview, but if it is being hosted and potentially produced by the White House I can't consider it objective. I don't think I can consider it journalism either, but at the same time I don't think I can consider a lot of what is on Fox News as journalism either.
There are a lot of other people who I like to see interview the President, but never will. One person that comes to mind would be Amy Goodman. She isn't as hip as the Youtubers, but she has spoken at my college and many others. She definitely holds a clear leftists standpoint, but I know her questions would be unrelenting and would lead to a much needed discourse about actions of this administration.
There was this one instance were Bill Clinton accidentally ended up being interview by her.
Anecdotally I watched the State of Union last week. Not on CNN or MSNBC, but on Whitehouse.gov. Not positive, but it looked like is was using Youtube livestreaming services. In that stream alongside each of the points there preprepared supporting graphics.
I don't think being a youtube star is any sure sign that they represent Millenials. All indications seem to suggest that w/regard to news, Vice does a better job of that (for what it's worth) - and Vice were as dismissive as every other outlet.
QED.
The state of journalism may suck, but this airheaded attitude suggests it's merely trying to follow it's intended audience and failing.
People this shallow are not going to be reached with quality journalism, so please stop blaming others for your own shallowness and disinterest.
The "political process" isn't the media or the current crop of political parties, it's you. You switch off, it's 100% your problem.
Don't blame others for your own contribution to turning it into shallow entertainment.
(Woah, it seems like really no)
Not meeting the kurds fighting ISIS on all fronts
Israel threatened by both Hezbollah and their master Iran.
Not meeting Benjamin Netanyahu
But lets get interviewed by some asshole who filled a hottub with cereals to eat.
How will someone like that ask questions that a proper, professional, well-prepared investigative journalist would ask? Bah.
"Are you at all worried that your administration is going to be seen as a time when drone strikes were a technology like... we see as over- or misused?" is not a question about kill lists, civilian casualties disguised in statistics as "military-age males", double tapping to also kill the people coming to rescue the first strike's victims or any serious issue related to UAV warfare.
Technology overuse and misuse is not the issue here. Killing people abroad is the issue.