130,000 pages of declassified US Air Force files related to UFO sightings
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The form of the myths mirrored each other almost exactly - strange night visitations, kidnappings and often sexual violations.
From memory the paper argued that they represented "the unknown" in the human psyche , and the rise of science had forced the myths to take a more scientific form.
I wish I could find the paper.
(I guess some will argue that this is actually evidence that UFOs have been visiting since prehistoric time. Enjoy, I guess: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chariots_of_the_Gods%3F )
They looked like stuff from that era:
Cigars, Hats, Zeppelins, etc.
He discusses the idea that of technological society automatically assuming that visitors have a "far more advanced technology", and the idea of the saucer being a completion the incomplete mandala of the industrial age. Very interesting stuff.
I think he might be right to some extent -- even if it's a psychological phenomenon, that fits the bill for a common underling cause.
I have heard it theorized by, let's call them enthusiastic evangelicals, that this indicates that what people now experience as UFOs are the same phenomena, caused by the same entities and done for the same purposes as the phenomena that people used to experience as Demonic visitations.
Me, I'm an open-minded skeptic. Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence and a lot of unanswered questions doesn't imply a particular answer.
If anyone's interested: http://imgur.com/gallery/xTUxdi6
The whole visualisation is an animation going from 1945 to 2014. But it's not hosted anywhere yet (mostly because 14MB of data files make for a bad website).
The green colors show sightings per capita in a state, darker is more. The blue crosses are US air/navy bases. The yellow dots are the sightings themselves. And the red circles are sightings clustered into 120 clusters, then normalised by population.
The "result" is that most sightings happen near air/navy bases. And that there are strangely many sightings per capita in the north-west.
Conclusions range from meteors, astronomical bodies, other planes etc...
Honestly the thing that surprises me is how each report was completed in detail. There is usually insufficient data for a definitive analysis, yet each report must have days to complete.
One thing that is certain is that if no alien air crafts have ever visited earth, then all UFO videos/pictures must necessarily be unclear, because otherwise we'd see that it's not a flying saucer.
Also, they are often far away so zoom level is set on max.
Why would it be convenient to ignore it if it was real? Legitimate evidence of extraterrestrial life would be, by and large, the most significant event in human history, and incredibly inconvenient to ignore for a virtually unlimited number of reasons.
Maybe in a few years.
Now, I agree with your basic premise that UFO sightings are probably mostly BS since the number of sightings has plummeted since people started carrying cellphones, but notice how people aren't reporting that they took a picture and now it too small for them to see. They just stopped altogether.
I gained some respect that day for anyone who claims to have seen something, and yet has no decent evidence.
But there are a lot of sightings captured on cell phones these days.
Many are obvious fakery. Some seem more interesting.
Personally I still favor life being more rare than we credit it with, and that we are fundamentally alone. But regardless, the idea that we're being visited in sometimes-observed spacecraft by apparently only quasi-competent aliens is absurd in light of what we know now. If "they" are among us, they are not quasi-competent, they are competent to a level that we can barely imagine.
The UFO meme's not so different. Super-advanced races using their incomprehensibly superior technology to fling themselves across the near-infinite vastness of space are visiting us in order to. . . prank aircraft pilots, share tedious banalities and diddle butts. The word 'risible' again comes to mind.
If you wanted to get a good UFO photo or video what you'd really want is a high-resolution infrared camera. Unless our UFOnauts (whatever/whoever they are) are exempt from physics, anything using energy for any kind of powered flight must emit infrared whether it wants to or not.
What kind of video would it take for us to believe ?
I looked at a couple of reports, one was explained as a meteor, another as a missile, another as aircraft lights, pretty mundane stuff to be spending time on. The investigators would know that the report came from near live ranges and such.
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What exactly discredits all of them?
Also presidents of the USA. Reagan and Carter both have UFO stories they have talked about openly.
I would expect about the same in quantity and quality for a major UFO sighting.
Hell we have whole tribes we've only just discovered. If something doesnt want to be found, its not impossible for it to stay hidden.
The giant squid is rare but not unsubstantiated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBRZuafewzI
A sentient species capable of interstellar travel would almost certainly be able to avoid detection by humanity if they wanted to, I will agree.
Well, we've got documented reports going back continuously to the ancient Greeks of giant squid, and photographic evidence going back almost as far as common photography. So, its not so more that we needed "vehicles capable of exploring where they are found" to substantiate them as we needed photography, etc., for people other than those who directly encountered them to be able to clearly distinguish the real reports of giant squid from all the rumors of fantastic beasts that lack such evidence.
If there are aliens, even if they can easily elude us, it seems likely that there would still be traces of them had they visited. Some sort of technological foot prints, whether they be emissions from ships or communications, or actual pieces of technology that have been left behind or broken off. Something, somewhere, you'd think.
And for the record, we have more video and imagery of these unexplained phenomenon then we do of the giant squid. They, for whatever reason, just dont leave bodies floating up on the beaches.
The only thing that is actually doubted is nonsense like the existence of squid the size of ships, big enough to take on Naval vessels. Much like the round nature of the Earth was never in question, just the idea that it was small enough to make sailing right around it a sensible thing to do.
From a scientific standpoint Im not sure what you'd need for something like this. After all up until recently the long standing testimony by pilots about sprites, elfs, ball lightning (atmospheric electrical phenomenon) and the like had no credible evidence except eye witness.
Further there is a ton, literally 1000s of hours of video and 1000s of images. Most are fake but many (including in the op report) remain unexplained. Its exceedingly unscientific in the face of unexplained evidence to simply say - 'nah nothing is happening there, lets just ignore it and the corroborating evidence and not investigate any further'.
Im not saying I know the answer, Im saying ignoring all the exceedingly large masses of information is ignorant. Exceedingly so when we literally have the evidence you're claiming doesn't exist (video and pictures gallore).
By the way. Pilots were crazy high back in the day, weren't they? Amphetamines and that kind of thing? Just saying.
Also, you complain about people not investigating these events. That's obviously not true. It's just that (so it seems, anyway) if nothing ever comes out of it, people stop investigating.
You mean eye witness testimony backed up with actual forensic evidence like a dead body or a missing person, right? It's not eye witness testimony disconnected from physical reality, because there are tons of crank pots that wouldn't stand up under cross-examination.
The best thing UFO advocates could do would be to pre-emptively debunk stuff, classify and label the fake stuff as fake or explainable by simpler causes, abandons old inconclusory evidence, and promote the small proportion of genuinely inexplicable phenomena that remain. I used to be very interested in UFO stuff but have completely given up looking at websites and so on because ther is too much shit to wade through. Lowish evidentiary standards were somewhat tolerable when the resources required to organize and study it were so much greater - there was a limit to what any one author could do. But with the internet, forums, worldwide mapping software, open-source image-processing tools and what-all else, UFO classification should be many many times better than it is, just as most scientific endeavors have benefited from digital technology. Instad there are forums like Godlikeproductions and prisonplanet that are mostly populated by gullible and/or mentally ill people.
If you want this issue taken seriously, then treat it seriously - use standards of evidence, consider things in their social context (eg many UFO reports were classified because of cold war paranoia and the desire to maintain a strategic military advantage), winnow out the wheat from the chaff, and invite people to falsify rather than endorse difficult cases. As you pointed out elsewhere, many people have trouble processing complex scientific information like climate change and so are reflexively skeptical about it. Well, that's the environment you're stuck with too, and UFO research has a long way to go before it can even start to be taken seriously as a topic of scientific inquiry by the general public.
Even looking at relatively well-curated sites like http://www.ufoevidence.org/ the front page still has 'Featured!' cases from 1959, 1974 that are nothing but reports of a single eyewitness. Mysterious? Sure, but of zero evidentiary value a half-century later, and therefore a waste of time. UFO advocates' collective inability to let go of such nostalgia cases tells us more about their psychology than about any physical phenomenon.
For the most part the "latest" UFO shots you can find out there are grainy film cameras shots from the early 90's just about when the X-Files was fresh and cool. As we get closer to the 2000's for some reason all of those photos dry out, i guess ET's are just camera shy.
My guess is YOU stopped paying attention b/c xfiles was no longer cool...
I suspect that his passion on the issue was inspired by an experience. I have known a couple of people who saw things that defy explanation and you pretty much can't make them shut up about it.
I'm not screaming ERRMUHGERD ALIENS! I'm just saying that many people see things that defy the mundane explanations of passenger aircraft, birds, swamp gas and the planet Venus. It's perfectly normal for someone who has had such an experience to be interested in the subject matter.
To quote Donald Rumsfeld, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".
I consider myself to be an open-minded skeptic.
I'm in the "Hey Stan, did you find that proof yet? No. OK. I'll be over here, let me know if you find it" camp.
And by all accounts considering that the amount of people with cameras increased by at least a ten fold since the 90's we should've the same an increase in UFO sightings as well, which well unless you count the text to speech youtube flicks about planet X and the anunaki didn't really happen.
However, the sheer variability of these reports does discredit the idea that there is a common explanation for all of these sightings. And that's where things like the alien visitation hypothesis begin to unravel. For the most part UFOlogists fail to see the forest for the trees - they look at each story individually, and never really spend any time trying to figure out how they could all possibly fit together into a single coherent story. Occam's razor also compels us to seek different explanations for different phenomena in the absence of any compelling evidence to show that they are, in fact, related.
The problem is, it's nearly impossible to come up with explanations for every single isolated anecdote by virtue of that very isolation. Skeptics understand this truism so implicitly that they oftentimes even fail to realize it's worth mentioning.
But that does not mean they are "aliens" - they are just unexplained. They may be caused by anything - weather, ball-lightning, volcanic activity, marsh gas, psychological oddities. They are deserving of study.
When I was a kid I used to live in the country, not far from the airport (my father was a commercial pilot too). It was common to see airliners doing a visual landing traffic to land, passing just overhead. One afternoon, I was coming out to feed the dogs when I saw a very bright green light, just the same type of green that shines at the right wing of airplanes, but this light's trajectory was 90º to the normal traffic one, and was heading away from the airport. At first I thought It was a crashing airplane, but it was completely silent. It was very weird, I stared at it for a minute or so, till it disappeared to the East. I thought then that it was a hight (and heavy) meteorite composed of Cu. Next day the local newspaper talked about it, how everybody reported it to the police, and how it was in fact a meteorite that brushed the higher atmosphere and rebounded again to the space.
If you are expecting or believing in alien UFOs, it´s easy to mistake something like this for a real UFO. I read some time ago this report http://www.amazon.com/Conclusions-Controlled-UFO-Hoaxes-Inst... It's about a couple of guys that join a UFO sighting group, and start doing fake UFOs with helium balloons and a flash to see how they responded to it (spoiler: not very accurately or sceptical). Highly recommended.
The evidence isn't strong enough to confirm any of the leading hypotheses (ETs, classified tech, etc.), so they still remain in the mystery category.
A common misconception about a basically scientific worldview is that you can't have mysteries, that everything has to be settled. This is absolutely wrong. Of course there are mysteries. If there weren't, science would stop. I'm perfectly comfortable with mysteries and with answering "I don't know" to certain things.
http://www.amazon.com/UFOs-Generals-Pilots-Government-Offici...
In a field where many of the books are written by either true believers or debunkers, this is a fresh take on the phenomena, carefully researched and conservatively written by an investigative journalist.
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I'm sure some of the documents can be tied to secret test flights, but why classify and keep secret the rest of the documents. I wish someone would ask that question, what if any justification was there for classifying them in the first place.
Edit: Looking at some of the documents, it seems that many of the reports of sightings are essentially people reporting celestial bodies, aircraft, or weather phenomenon. I am rather certain that there is really absolutely nothing in here to be found. This strikes me as the equivalent to clearing out filing cabinets of useless documents. It's probably a matter of finding the needle that may or may not have slipped through in a huge haystack.
Mildly amusing statement from one of the more interesting reports I cam across (Last Report, last page): "...leads me to believe, or at least to suspicion, that the accusations of NEGLIGENCE heaped upon you (as individual officers in Bluebook and collectively by some independent investigators in recent years may not be entirely unfounded." http://projectbluebook.theblackvault.com/documents/1960s/196...
The concern almost certainly has nothing to do with the possibility that someone might have seen an alien spacecraft, but the risk of revealing information about military aircraft movements.
See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirage_Men
Aliens do not walk among us.
Heck, we only evolved very recently on this planet. If humans don't go extinct in the next 2-5 million years, then maybe its possible to get a visitor (but I wouldn't bet on it).
I loosely follow this subject. I get excited when guys like Stanton Friedman speak. I got real interested in this subject when the whole Rendlesham Forest thing exploded. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident
And even Niel Armstrong believes. Wasn't there an unencrypted radio communication that was recorded between NASA and one of the space shuttle missions where the astronautes describe a UFO being observed of some sort?
All this just makes me wonder how much is not declassified or if it is declassified that it's probably down played as something other than a UFO???
Belief isn't evidence of anything but a convincing story. People believe in things which turn out to have been untrue, misconstrued or plain fraud all the time (see: the Cottingley fairies, Piltdown man, WMD in Iraq.)
Yes, there always could be some super-super secret treasure trove of classified information showing that UFOs are really alien spacecraft but it also seems increasingly likely that none of them are.
Anyone know what these 5 major studies he references on that page are?
Given his claim that the NSA and CIA are hiding UFO data, I have to wonder why none of that was released by Snowden.
Buzz Aldrin doesn't though:
On Apollo 11 in route to the Moon, I observed a light out the window that appeared to be moving alongside us. There were many explanations of what that could be, other than another spacecraft from another country or another world - it was either the rocket we had separated from, or the 4 panels that moved away when we extracted the lander from the rocket and we were nose to nose with the two spacecraft. So in the close vicinity, moving away, were 4 panels. And i feel absolutely convinced that we were looking at the sun reflected off of one of these panels. Which one? I don't know. So technically, the definition could be "unidentified."
We well understood exactly what that was. And when we returned, we debriefed and explained exactly what we had observed. And I felt that this had been distributed to the outside world, the outside audience, and apparently it wasn't, and so many years later, I had the time in an interview to disclose these observations, on another country's television network.[1]
I'm not sure it can be much clearer than that.
[1] http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2a5vg8/i_am_buzz_aldri...
Notice that the editing makes it seem like he thinks it was some suspicious object, but if you just take what he says it is basically "we saw something, it wasn't clear what it was." Even in the edited interview it is clear they thought it was part of the rocket, because they asked where it was.
Clearly it didn't seem very important to them then: they kept an eye on it but weren't concerned.
Turns out it wasn't the rocket, just some panels from it.
That makes a lot of sense physically, and is consistent with what he says there and later on Reddit.