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For reference, Mir is hoped to be ready for Ubuntu 16.04...

To be fair, Wayland seems similarly hopeful about shipping in Fedora 23, which is only 4 months before Ubuntu 16.04. Also, Canonical has a big incentive to ship Mir in 16.04, since it's a long term support release. If they don't make it, they'll be forced to support X for an extra 5 years.

I think both projects have equally "hopeful" (slim) chances of hitting their dates. If they do ship on time, I expect stability and features to suffer.

I'll take "Suffering Stability and Features" for $500, Alex. As long as I can bet everything on chance to get rid of X 5 years sooner.

They've always said they'll continue supporting X after Mir ships anyway.

Wait, they're still hanging on to that!?

The ubuntu phone is based on it, so they will be hanging onto it for a while.

Is there any chance for an actual device? (Except for flashing it onto a Nexus phone?)

Coming in early 2015:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2861446/ubuntu-phone-launch-d...

Wayland has been around, I think, at least 3 years before Mir's announcement, though. It's had plenty of time to evolve naturally without any fixed corporate goals necessitating them to act fast.

It's also worth noting that many of the changes required when switching out the display server (moving stuff out of X and into the kernel, adding features to drivers) was done while developing Wayland. Mir doesn't have to worry about this stuff, so they should be able to do it much quicker than the time it has taken Wayland to mature.

It sounds like whatever supersedes waylan should have a much easier time. Hows that for planning.

this.

I cant seem to find a .deb + bleeding edge Gnome system anywhere. Ubuntu Gnome is what I use right now, but Fedora 22 is so good that it is making me jealous.

I would pay money to get a Debian based Gnome distro which is constantly updated. And now that is even more critical as Ubuntu goes off in Mir territory while the rest of the world go to Wayland.

Debian Testing or Unstable?

I tried to get on the Debian bandwagon, but it is so unfriendly that it is not funny. I know it is built around a philosophy, but I seriously encourage everyone to try out Fedora 21 Workstation to really see what a great Linux experience can feel like.

Why did you feel it was unfriendly?

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