People Can Be Convinced They Committed a Crime That Never Happened
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[1]http://murderpedia.org/male.T/t/tankleff-martin.htm [2]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/01/nyregion/01tankleff.html?g...
[1]http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/12/09/the-interview-7
Can anyone really give meaningful consent for an exercise like this? They paid the participants $50, but presumably they couldn't tell them exactly what was going on, or it wouldn't have worked.
In this case, I don't have access to the full text of the paper, but the "supplementary materials" are freely available, including the scripts that were used for the interviews and debriefing process. Some choice quotes:
"We predicted that in a significant proportion of participants, we could convince them that childhood events happened when in fact they did not. There is no reason for you to feel any more susceptible to such processes than anyone else (if applicable). This is a completely normal, common occurrence." ... "If at this point you would like to withdraw your data from the study, you are able to do so without penalty." ... "If you feel that you suffered any distress as a result of this study, please let us know as we can arrange to have a counsellor speak to you. No-one will have access to your identity or specific information you provided except for the study coders."
http://pss.sagepub.com/content/suppl/2015/01/14/095679761456...
Is the premise of the question that choosing inaction adverts culpability, in a situation where either outcome is abhorrent? But inaction has only the appearance of innocence: if you really have the choice of which outcome will occur, you cannot absolve yourself of responsibility by going with a default. The fact that the greater evil is the status quo doesn't make it a more ethical choice.
You say that like it's fact but it's your opinion based on your ethics. There's also information we don't know. Are these people volunteering or being selected against their will? Either way it would also be fine to argue that the rights of those people are so important that society can't debilitate them even if it solves cancer and heart disease. Everybody has to die of something so why ruin these peoples lives when the people saved by not getting heart disease/cancer die from something else anyway?
But this is a pretty important study I'd say, almost on par with the Stanford prison experiment for "pop" awareness.
Jerry, in the morning mentioned to someone that his shoulder really hurt, but he couldn't remember hurting it.
We came up with a plan that morning to convince Jerry that he had been sideswiped by a taxi, and got into a fight with a taxi driver. We emailed everyone we were with the night before, explained to them what we were doing, and started planting that idea in Jerry's mind.
At first he claimed that it never happened. He kept saying he knew we were just fucking with him.
More and more people corroborated the story. We even had a military police officer call him on the phone to inquire about the incident. We got his boss to sit him down and have a talk with him about his problem with alcohol (he doesn't drink that much).
Eventually as the story was repeated to him by everyone, especially people with authority, Jerry went from:
"this never happened.. I only had two beer last night" to: "hmm... maybe I was really drunk after all... but I don't remember anything" to: "Yeah... I remember everything now! How could I have forgotten before? Crazy!?!?"
He turned our story into real memories and even started adding his own details to the story. We thought that was hilarious.
That night we all got together and told Jerry that it was all just a joke. He couldn't believe it. He argued with us that he was sure it did happen. He remembered it. When he finally accepted it he felt really dumb, but it was a really fun day at work for us, so definitely worth it.
Congratulations!!! Probably every convicted rapist though something equivalent at some point, so you are in good company to be sure.
Giving a) and b) I would argue that was a valuable lesson.
It's still a bit jerky to do that to someone you call "a friend".
How memory works, according to humanity : we store all data input in our mind, where it stays. Every now and again some data disappears or is overwritten.
5 seconds of thinking about how a mind looks and what it does will leave you with 100 very hard questions about how you could possibly make that happen in a neural network.
How memory works, the real version : you "learn" memory. When a person is presented with a pointer to a specific point in time or a specific event, his mind then reconstructs the memory by repeatedly asking the question "what happened next ?". All the data produced comes from the predictor, not from actual memory.
So what is actually stored in your memory ? Well useful things. Not an index of dates combined with what happened. But "I start my day, then wash my teeth, then make a piece of toast, then ..."
"What did you do yesterday ?"
("conversation" in someone's mind starts happening :
"well obviously I woke up. Then what ? I washed my teeth. Ok, then what ?
interrogator interrupts You ate a biscuit your mind
Ok that sounds reasonable, and I'm not all that sure at all. He may be right. I'll go with it)
Memory changed. Next time you remember it will be a lot easier to go with the changed memory.
When you remember something, the memory is not "recalled" like on a computer, but recreated from scratch. You start with a specific event (that itself may or may not have happened, but it must be quite normal for it to happen so the predictor doesn't see it as too unlikely). Because external persons can both contribute and interfere with the recreation process it can be used to change memories (your mind doesn't separate multiple inputs, so if a person is talking when you're recalling, it influences the recall process). You want your memory to be accurate, spend a while with extremely limited inputs first.
Because of how the predictor works, it "synchronizes" with other people's predictors (nothing magical, it simply predicts what the other person's mind is doing and takes that into account). But that results in that if you have extreme uncertainty about an event and the person you're talking to feels very strongly about it, your mind will be quite likely to follow the other person's convictions.
Keep doing this, and you can convince someone they're a monster (note: requires that the interrogator believes that to be true, builds trust and avoids firing the "bullshit detector" and even then large changes require quite a bit of time)
There are a few more of these things that are quite normal, given that our minds copy others' behaviors, but people find extremely hard to believe. The one I have refused to believe for the longest time was that people who get abused, whether by a military, simply be economic situation, or even when kidnapped, initially want to get out. But if the situation persists, the no longer want the abuse to stop. They want to become the abuser (because that person is the person their mind most often gives attention to). For a behavior copy "machine", this is expected and normal. In psychology this simple fact has been known for centuries. Many other counterintuitive facts become easy to explain (e.g. why commercials work).
Is it true that the memories themselves are false or is it the remembering process that is influenced to produce false beliefs about what happened?
Did this moment actually happen previously and your remembering it again, or is a chemical reaction in your brain tricking you into thinking you've had this thought before?
One moment.
Edit: ok, found it:
http://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/deja-vu4.ht...
"Another theory is based on the way our brain processes new information and how it stores long- and short-term memories. Robert Efron tested an idea at the Veterans Hospital in Boston in 1963 that stands as a valid theory today. He proposed that a delayed neurological response causes déjà vu. Because information enters the processing centers of the brain via more than one path, it is possible that occasionally that blending of information might not synchronize correctly.
Efron found that the temporal lobe of the brain's left hemisphere is responsible for sorting incoming information. He also found that the temporal lobe receives this incoming information twice with a slight (milliseconds-long) delay between transmissions -- once directly and once again after its detour through the right hemisphere of the brain. If that second transmission is delayed slightly longer, then the brain might put the wrong timestamp on that bit of information and register it as a previous memory because it had already been processed. That could explain the sudden sense of familiarity."
The article contains a lot of other theories about the origin of Deja-Vu as well but that one seems to have stood the test of time very well.
Never found any information on or even many other people reporting this though.
Maybe that would be a good starting subject for some 'light reading'.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23196385
Even further back from that, there have been studies where researches can do this with children very easily.