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> Make a feminist point on HN, get downvoted to hell and beneath.

That's not true at all.

I think you got down-voted because you missed the point of the comment you replied to. (I think) the point was that even if you get rid of patriarchy, you'd still have to deal with women putting each other down. I guess that's noteworthy because it's easy to forget when you read an article like this one. I am constantly amazed by how poorly we treat each other. All of us, really.

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But how much of women putting other women down is due to patriarchy? What if it's all due to patriarchy? What if getting rid of patriarchy solves it all?

I can't tell if those are rhetorical questions or not. Part of it might be patriarchy, but I'm pretty sure for the most part it's just nature at work. Women competing with other women for the attention of men doesn't sound new to me.

The parent comment implied without evidence that that all women putting down women had nothing to do with patriarchy. I gave a reason as to how it might (to a possibly massive amount) be due to patriarchy.

And what if "nature at work" isn't so natural? Go back 50 years and people would say that it's unnatural for 2 men to love each other.

The way patriarchy is usually defined by feminists, women putting other women down (at least to the extent that that is because the women being put down are acting in a way that is outside of the fixed gender roles held by the women doing the putting down) is an example of patriarchy, not an effect of it.

Let me see if I got this right. You're saying "normal" women putting down "weird" women would fall under the agreed upon definition of patriarchy? How is that not just xenophobia/mobbing?

A great deal of what feminists blame men for, is really women competing with women. Size zero models for example.

No, a great deal of what feminists blame the patriarchy (of which men are the massive benefactors of) is ....

Patriarchy just means "general purpose bad thing" doesn't it? It's just a way of saying "men are to blame for everything".

We are such great benefactors: Suicide rate, homelessness rate, prison sentence length for same crimes, life expectancy ...

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