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"Install our [untrusted native code] and make the world a better* place!"

(* assuming that your old, inefficient, Windows desktop computer, and monitor are on 24/7 and you don't have power saving enabled, and you tell a lot of your friends)

"If even 0.1% of all users on Facebook (300,000 users) install Enpower"

This reminds me of a recent article pointing out the fact that there are numbers less than 1 (or 1/10 in this case) [ http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090928/1101596338.shtml ].

"The Nellis Solar Power System generates 30 million kWH annually"

I have a different perspective for you - 30 million kWH is also about 3 million gallons of gasoline (as burned in internal combustion engines), which is about as much gasoline as this country consumes in 10 minutes. So, not really that much.

EDIT: toned down the vocab, it was too judgemental

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We've stated explicitly that these are "INCREMENTAL" savings. We do not assume that your PC is on 24x7. If it's on all the time, you'd stand to save much more.

Why don't you sign up and have a look at how much users are saving? We've had 36 downloads over the last week - friends in our immediate network. They're your average joe user - none of them leave their PCs on at night. Enpower kicks in when they forget to power down, and you'd be surprised to learn how often that is.

Please don't call an app from a startup spyware. It's unlikely we'll ever have the resources to do what it takes to look "squeaky clean" from your lofty perspective.

Green Facebook apps have seen much more adoption than we aspire to achieve. Little Green Patch, a social gardening game has 1,889,557 active monthly users. (http://www.facebook.com/applications/%28Lil%29_Green_Patch/7...) They state their advertisers will donate towards reforestation if you exchange "packets of seeds" with your friends. I think our effort could be just as meaningful, if not more. I do admit that a download is a significant barrier and we're not aiming to reach magical numbers within a week. It'll be slow, and we're ready for it.

And finally, if 30 million kWH means so little, why spend a 100 million dollars of taxpayers' money (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Nellis-Solar-Powe...) to pump that amount of clean energy into the grid? Surely, the Government must know better.

> Please don't call an app from a startup spyware. It's unlikely we'll ever have the resources to do what it takes to look "squeaky clean" from your lofty perspective.

Sorry, you're right. I've edited my original comment to be less damning.

> Why don't you sign up and have a look at how much users are saving?

For one, it doesn't look compatible with MacOSX. Additionally, I have little trust of 3rd party native code.

> Little Green Patch, a social gardening game has 1,889,557 active monthly users

My opinion of Facebook apps is that they are useless, but also (some privacy aside) harmless.

> And finally, if 30 million kWH means so little, why spend a 100 million dollars of taxpayers' money (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Nellis-Solar-Powe...) to pump that amount of clean energy into the grid?

100 million was spent to build a facility, not purchase a years worth of output. Solar panels should last at least 10 years, so divide that 100 million by at least 10. Additionally, funding solar installations is viewed as an indirect means of funding solar panel research, and not as a simple purchase of energy.

> Surely, the Government must know better.

I think that we all have an intuition for how government contracts are awarded, and knowledge isn't on that list.

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