German-designed ‘smart’ guns rerouted after cultural backlash in U.S
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On the sort-of bright side, unintentional gun deaths are only around 3% of all firearm homicides. One could save many more lives by further restricting handguns. For example: make getting a handgun more like getting a private pilot's license. Unfortunately, such restrictions are probably unconstitutional.
I don't see why the system would do that. A "fail-safe" doesn't always mean failing closed; sometimes it means failing open. That is, if there is a jammer, then fall back to letting anyone shoot anyone, which is no worse than things are now. If there isn't a jammer, then let the law say who can shoot people.
(Yes, then anyone can buy their own personal jammer to make their gun "work." People can also override those breathalyzer-meters that they have to blow into to get their cars to start. But, by-and-large, do they?)
Still sounds like a bunch of expensive security kit with its barn doors open.
I have trouble believing Armatix would develop a version targeted at law enforcement without taking that into consideration.
I think the usual movie-technology solution is a fingerprint sensor in the trigger.
Also, there is an existing permit system in operation for extending gun rights, such as concealed carry. All a licence would do is codify an expected level of responsibility that already exists anyway in the laws concerning guns. Besides, if someone can't stay within the confines of basic range safety for the hour or so it would take to pass a test, then perhaps they shouldn't have a gun.
I accept that the current legal interpretation is not currently in that direction, however I'll also note that it has changed several times and that recent court cases have come out against gun registration, but not as far as I am aware against a gun license being required for purchase, as you are allowed state laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
I'd be willing to jump through a few hoops to get rid of the Hughes amendment [1] What would you consider a fair trade for this?
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_Owners_Protection_Act
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_of_Columbia_v._Heller
The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.
Because Heller conceded at oral argument that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement. Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home.
Individuals can be deprived of rights so long as there is due process.
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/wa...
You can kill other people with the gun you own, it is difficult to kill other people in your backyard pool.
PS: Also, the numbers presented in the CDC link were for 4 years. The # of deaths by gun-violence (homicide + suicide by gun) in USA per year exceeds # of pool deaths per year by a factor of at least 20.
How does a legally owned RFID activated gun prevent someone from killing themselves with it?
At best you should stay the fuck away from guns.
It would be pretty difficult to carry out here in Alaska. And as for staying the fuck away from guns? that's pretty difficult in my house: http://i.imgur.com/0rkkmuP.jpg
Also I'm quite aware of gun culture in US. Chance of changing that are nonexistent. I can however appeal to people that are intending to buy a gun.
If you look at how Britain's transition from coal gas to natural gas reduced suicide rates it is not hard to imagine same would happen if guns were banned.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06suicide-t.html?...
From a European point of view, it looks absurd. Most criminals here do not use guns because very few are in circulation. Minor conflicts do not escalate into murder, because it's hard to kill without a weapon. And guns are not available for would-be suicides and accidental shootings.
On the other hand, if you're concerned about self-defence, you're free to learn a martial art. No restrictions on that.
We don't like having to rely on someone else for our own safety. The police will never get there in time to save you. Judo isn't going to save the elderly from a mugging or a small woman from a gang rape. A gun can though.
What choice do you have when a criminal breaks into your home? Do you cry out to them "look out I'm calling the police" and then return to cower in your hiding place hoping they don't cause you or your loved ones physical harm?
We like being able to hunt and provide food for our families. It's a very primal thing that most people have lost touch with. To be out in the wilderness stalking an animal as a predator. It's something we have done for Eons. We've done it for longer than we've been people for christ's sake. I can provide myself top quality meat doing this at a fraction of the cost. Plus I know where it came from and that it lived a better life than some cow in a slaughter farm.
The entire concept of the U.S. was built on people who were sick of their government fucking them over. So they kicked the government out. We wouldn't have been able to do that without guns, so we enshrined it in our constitution should it ever happen again. It's literally the second amendment because it's nearly as important as freedom of speech, and not the watered down freedom of speech they have over there in europe. We want it all, hate speech and the lot of it. Not because we like hate speech, but because we believe good ideas stand on their own merit and bad ideas should be aired out in public and debated and dismissed so as not to fester clandestinely.
Many lives have been sacrificed on the altar of gun rights just as many feelings have been hurt and lives lost because of our freedom of speech. The sacrifice is well worth it and will continue.
in short "freedom is not free" also
“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” -Ben Franklin
How many firearm suicides are carried out using stolen guns?
I don't blame the pool, I don't want pools banned.
I'm showing the relative lack of a problem. People aren't up in arms about banning pools because they enjoy using them when its hot out and they consider it worth the risk.
Similarly people who don't own guns see no problem with restricting or banning them in some way because it will have no negative affect on their lives.
You can shoot for sport too. Hence why there are various olympic events involving it.
Shooting animals for sport is also a subset of this. Why on earth do you think it can't be used as a recreational hobby?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radar_detector#Radar_scrambling
So 'jamming' is an uncompelling argument unless someone can show a practical, situation relevant jammer. Such a thing may exist for a smartgun - but its ridiculuous to let people throw out jamming as an objection to a specific technology, as it would be to throw out 'hacking' over some type of computer technology.
In cases like many school shootings, where the gun was stolen ahead of time, all it does is require the culprit to steal the watch too. A physical key (old-fashioned or cryptographic) would do the same thing but more reliably.
The term "smart gun" brings to mind a development that I think most users of HN would agree is a bad idea. Making a gun that tries to automatically determine who's authorized to shoot whom, like a Dominator from Psycho-Pass, seems to open up a whole mess of problems. Making more reliable non-lethal weapons is the direction I'd rather see the problem attacked from.
Quite similar to a normal gun then.
In practice, how many people are going to have RFID jammers, and how many of those will reliably work? I'm guessing that that'd be close to zero. Related, Psycho Pass is an interesting anime which goes into the issue of "smart guns" and the subversion of their safeguards. It's also a damn interesting series.
Once a personalized weapon went on sale in the United States, the law said, then within three years, all guns sold in New Jersey would have to include such safety features.
How could they not have seen that passing such a law would impede advancements in gun safety by creating opposition which would not have otherwise existed (or at least to this extent), but for this law?
I suppose it is possible that gun safety was never actually the goal to begin with, but it still seems like such a predictable result, given the ferocity with which any real or perceived encroachment on the Second Amendment is met.
On the one hand, it's kind of amusing, in a way, to watch the instant, reflexive backlash which invariably erupts in response to even the slightest suggestion of tighter gun control. On the other, it might make some sense if one were inclined to take a conspiratorial view of the true purpose of laws like this one in New Jersey.
1- It could be jammed by a 10 euro/dollar device.
2-The smart watch(via Patriot Act) is going to require the government has a back door or mechanism that could disable it remotely when the government wants it disabled, like they do with computer software and hardware.
The second amendment reason for existence is controlling the people in power against abuses on the people. Of course people in power want to get rid of it while militarizing the police(because hard times are coming).
So how's that working out for you then? This story is right next to one on HN about NSA abuses, and there's the ongoing saga of police violence against black people. Is gun ownership somehow going to make a difference there? How do you expect armed politics to end other than incredibly badly?
The "government"'s usual device for disabling a gun is a bullet to the head of the person holding it.
That bullet killed a child and sent the (accidental) shooter to prison.
http://www.cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/wa...
Edit: compare that with the fact that in 2011 there were 600 accidental deaths from firearms.
http://www.nssf.org/PDF/research/IIR_InjuryStatistics2013.pd...
It's a question of tradeoffs. Making seatbelts mandatory was a major step in preventing accidental deaths. Ensuring that pools are safer (which doesn't necessarily mean banning them...) would also be beneficial. As for gun safety, what's wrong with investigating how to prevent instances of mass murders which by now make a regular appearance in US news, since apparently the pro-gun lobby is too strong to outright ban weapons? Not to mention children playing with unsecured firearms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum
Just to be clear, I think that people should have the right to purchase these RFID guns, but I think any sort of mandate requiring them is bad news for a number of reasons.
I'd be willing to investigate things like trigger locks or home safes or licensing IF we on the gun rights side of the discussion could get something too. Namely a repeal of the hughes amendment. Also this is something I think would be better dolled out state by state.
People here in alaska don't want the same things that people in new york or california do.
As for the rest, I'm afraid that being from the other side of the pond prevents me from being familiar with the various US gun laws...
I am worried that this will become yet another obstruction for gun holders. Germany (and EU) is crazy, pepper sprays or even pocket knives are banned. Neighbouring Czech rep. is more liberal and has comparable crime rate.
Nothing, but why would you want to? The whole point is so you can buy a gun that only you can use (and not e.g. your kid). I guess a thief might still steal a gun and then disable the system, but making life harder for such a thief is a good thing even if it doesn't make it impossible (just like an engine immobilizer). But if you're worried about "bad guys", the point is just to stop accidental shootings. There's nothing in the system that would stop you deliberately e.g. shooting a cop with one (as long as you had the wristband on).
We can make pill jars impossible for 5year olds to open. How hard can it be to make a gun too hard to use?
PS to all the gun-nuts dowvoters: Thanks for showing how you really value freedom.
Part of the reaction stemmed from a little-known New Jersey law passed in 2002 by gun-control advocates. Once a personalized weapon went on sale in the United States, the law said, then within three years, all guns sold in New Jersey would have to include such safety features.
It seems like greater adherence to free market principles could actually have avoided the problem -- without that law, intense opposition to smart guns would likely have not occurred as it did, or at least not to such an extent.
Gun rights activists focus their energy on regulation and practically nothing else, which is why smart guns were so strongly opposed -- it was opposition to regulation, not safety.
If the market was actually consensual, then innovations like this might actually have a chance to take hold as evidenced by people buying or not buying the product in an open market. Such market forces may even lead to a smart gun that actually works reliably in all the situations it needs to.
However, laws such as the New Jersey one have taken away this opportunity by introducing a coercive element. This has completely changed the dynamic.
They flooded the Facebook pages of both stores with angry comments; some even called in death threats, according to a video later posted by Andy Raymond, an owner of Engage Armament.
Thank god they are the ones with guns....