I can not realistically picture them ever paying the debt off or going back to a zero deficit. I bet the most likely endgame will be some kind of future war against The Bad Guys (which they'll make sure to do sufficient propaganda demonization against for the low-brow general public) and then they could use that situation to justify "retiring" (not honoring) the debt. There is historical precedent. And while there are many good and honest human beings working throughout the US gov it would be a naive mistake to think the most important decisions are made by "good" people. History suggests the opposite. In (almost) all countries. Throughout history. And again, ignore words. Any words that come out of a politician's mouth just ignore. Only weigh actions, results and tangibles. Looking at those, the weight of evidence suggests they'll never eliminate the yearly deficit or debt. Just keep increasing it until some huge "oopsie!" reset excuse is found. The kind that will likely involve much loss of blood by the working/labor/non-wealthy classes, world-wide
That's the historical record, reinforced many times over millenia.
Of course tax receipts were much higher as we were in a bull market and had very low unemployment. Since then, a tech bubble burst, we hopped in to numerous endless wars, and Wall St. sent half the world tumbling in to recession or depression and the housing market collapsed.
But it's not that far fetched that it could happen again.
[0] http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-unde...
Edit: this is speaking to zero deficit, not zero debt.
But there are arguments to be made that, assuming a healthy economy, it's better to borrow and spend than it is to save and spend for anything that's worth the money.
In a healthy economy, people save their surplus in expansions and spend it in recessions, or for larger purchases.
Interest on debt means that the return on investment for projects financed by debt must be positive even after the interest payments, or the debt cannot be paid off. What I often see is that municipalities will do something stupid, like pay for a new, oversized sewage treatment plant, using bonds, and then the very optimistic growth in the sewer system does not occur, and people end up paying $500/month water bills for a plant running at 10% of capacity.
You can't borrow if no one has anything to lend.
Print some money, give it out, borrow it, pay idle people to work.
This only fails if everyone is already working but failing to save, because they are only generating subsistence value from their labor.
I'd love to see it happen, but it doesn't seem likely.
"Back" was a long, long time ago. Nevertheless it is probable the deficit will be subsumed by growth nin the immediate future.
> . I bet the most likely endgame will be some kind of future war against The Bad Guys (which they'll make sure to do sufficient propaganda demonization against for the low-brow general public) and then they could use that situation to justify "retiring" (not honoring) the debt.
There doesn't need to be any "endgame" or debt retirement: this is a fundamental misunderstanding. The government is continually paying off old debt and issuing new debt as the US economy grows and government revenues increase. There is no big pile of debt which is continually accumulating and never paid off: the debt is paid off every single time a bond is redeemed. (Nevermind the fact that inflation reduces the amount of debt in the first place! The national debt as a percentage of GDP exceeded its modern numbers in 1945, but it was inflated away.) People often speak of the debt being "called in": this fundamental truth also happens to explain why that can't happen. A bond comes due when it is due, not when you want your money back.
The situation is, indeed, entirely sustainable, unless you disbelieve the evidence of history and mainstream economics. Furthermore, the US government actually owes much of its debt it itself. The government owes itself 5 trillion dollars. This is pretty much just a silly accounting trick: the government could poof all that debt away and nobody would be the wiser so long as the government still funded the programs (such as Social Security) that bought those bonds. And since the government is the sole producer of US dollars, it should not find that too difficult.
There's also the present reality that not borrowing money at the present interest rates would be insane. Real interest rates on federal debt are near-zero and have actually gone negative at some points. People are literally paying the government to hold their money. [1]
You can go even more extreme and consider MMT. There is logic to it, though I suspect human psychology and the general terror of fiat currencies (especially of treating fiat currencies as if they were truly fiat currencies) would hamper any baldfaced implementation of MMT policies. Essentially, fiat currencies can be viewed as being created via government spending and destroyed via government taxation. The only worry the government need consider is the possibility of inflation, which is not (this is predicted by economics and demonstrated repeatedly, including by present experience, in which the Fed has increased the monetary base by 5x[3] while seeing inflation tick between 0-2%[4]) directly correlated only to the money supply and is relatively easily controlled. Governments issuing their own sovereign fiat currencies are working in this system whether they realize it or not.
tl;dr There is nothing to worry about, people don't understand how debt owed in a country's sovereign currency works; there will never be any "reset excuse" necessary unless a future Congress goes absolutely mad and decides to accumulate truly absurd levels of debt (100x GDP) during economic booms or something.
Sidenote: Government bonds provide a secondary, extremely valuable service. They are a safe, stable place to park your money. If the government stopped issuing bonds and only paid them off, there would be a tremendous outcry and people would start either keeping the money in bank accounts or under their mattress (where it does little good) or investing it into the stock market (riskier and probably increases the chances of a bubble.)
References: [1] http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/in...
[2] Debt owed to foreign countries, by amount. Japan will soon overtake China: http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt
[3] http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/BASE
[4] http://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/current-infla...
Except since you're not ever reducing the debt burden, one day that debt will come due and you'll have to refinance it, and who knows what rate that will be. Having a large debt can be somewhat of a time bomb.
(although I agree with the other things you said - and especially the US is in a great situation where its debts are generally in USD which it controls)
It's fairly typical during wartime for countries to adopt out of control fiscal policies. We're somewhat unusual in that we've dumped trillions into other spending (ie Medicare Part D), while simultaneously having to spend federal budget dollars to pay for redeemed bonds held by Social Security.
However, the point of the Federal Reserve Bank is primarily to create money, or destroy it, to affect inflation, deflation, or unemployment.
Money is created whenever someone provides a good or service that someone else wants to consume. The money value of the currency is the total value of money created by the productive sector of the economy, divided by the number of currency units, with some variation resulting from imperfect knowledge of the market.
The central bank attempts to increase the number of units of the currency faster than money is created, so that the value of an individual unit of currency will remain stable or decrease. If the value of a currency unit were to start increasing, people might be tempted to stop spending it, which would destroy some of the money value of the economy by discouraging trades.
This also has the insidious benefit of allowing the central bank to take some money value from the economy without trading for it, just by creating new currency out of thin air. When they spend the new currency, or loan it to a government that spends it, a fraction of the money value produced by other people suddenly teleports to their own pockets, and they can pretend to be generous and benevolent.
The interest issue is a big problem. Depending on the size and number of outstanding loans, if they were to be paid off, currency would be removed from circulation and the money price of the remaining currency would increase, making it harder to pay off the remaining loans. In order to ease the crunch, the currency-issuing bank would have to actually spend back into the economy without making loans, buying goods and services outright instead of just renting out paper.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_position_of_the_Unite...
The political term "balance the budget" seems to be a corruption of the accounting term, and it means just for the state to break even. It seems likely to me that the coiner of this term had some misconception about double-entry bookkeeping - such as that you break even iff your books are balanced
There is no need to pay off your student loans completely if the interest rate on them is low and you can do better things with your income. Making your payments is responsible. Paying them off (partially or entirely) means that you have nothing better to do with your income.
Refinancing your student loans from 4% to 2% is a fantastic idea, however (which is what the UK is doing)
edit: A bit longer article: http://www.businessinsider.com/japan-economy-disaster-2013-5 - it might be a bit old but nothing really changed.
The VAT changes weren't very well handled, if you know the sales tax is going up substantially then you will bring forward any planned purchases.
What Japan really needs to do is modernise the workplace especially in terms of gender equality but also just moving away from so much paper.