The Dot-Com Bust’s Worst Flops Were Actually Fantastic Ideas
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Instacart is not "exactly like" Webvan. The only thing the two companies have in common is groceries. What distinguishes them is everything else. Webvan:
* Shipped their own groceries from their own gigantic centralized warehouses
* Did a land-grab rollout to a large number of cities
* Had a gold-plated customer experience enabled by enormous spending on employees and infrastructure. I still store all my electronics in a large stack of those big plastic crates Webvan gave me for free
* Built a massive central kitchen so they could deliver prepared meals to their customers
Instacart:
* Sends randos to Whole Foods and Safeway to get groceries using those people's own vehicles
* Rolls out slowly (I still can't get service in Oak Park, despite being half a block from Chicago, and Chicago only happened months and months after they launched SFBA)
* Has no discernable infrastructure expenses. I think they might reimburse some of their drivers for $20 dollies.
You can turn any "flop" into a "fantastic idea" if you devise a sustainable business model for it. If you can buy for a nickel and sell for a dime, you're golden. Webvan bought for a dollar and sold for a penny. Groceries had nothing to do with it.
Not all, but many of the failed dot-coms can be summed up as offering Service X at a price that people were willing to pay that happens to be less than the cost of delivering the service.
If I can relax the price > cost constraint there are any number of fantastic ideas that I can come up with. Private jets for the price of commercial. A driver for $1/hour. Etc.
Grocery delivery can be a perfectly fine business but, like most services that fundamentally offer convenience, it's also a premium service that people need to be willing to pay for--and the business plan needs to recognize that fact. And, as is often true, grocery delivery seems to make the most sense when it can piggy-back on a standard self-service grocery business.
One sign of a bubble: articles that proclaim, without caveats or quantifiable reasons, that caution and experience are for suckers.
1) How many people were online?
2) How many people had credit card info online?
3) How many people trusted WebVan (vs. Amazon, which built trust over decades)
4) How many people had portable computers in their pocket at all times, with instant access to your service?
Saying "X is a good idea" doesn't make sense without the surrounding strategic context.
Back before home internet access was a thing, companies like Schwan's ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwan_Food_Company ) were making home deliveries of frozen foods. Dairies have done deliveries for as long as I can remember.
Webvan didn't fail because grocery delivery is a bad idea.
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/201...
Or they could be early or executed poorly. YMMV.
In other word "Worst Flop" is not going to be the terrible stupid bad ideas - the exact opposite of "fantastic idea", more like "biggest gap between expectation and reality".
Sure - if one considers "never-ending hype-machine" and "engine for producing scam mining-hardware companies" to be a "huge role"...
If one judges new things through the lens of mainstream media and not by actually seeking to understand the new thing then of course it'll seem like a "never-ending hype-machine". Seems to me you might actually be gaining an understanding of how the media works and confusing that with an understanding with the topic they're talking about.
I suppose you could argue that several million dollars a day doesn't amount to a "huge role," but let's not pretend that it's just hype and mining.
[1] http://www.coindesk.com/bitpay-now-processing-1-million-bitc...
I admittedly have a very strong bias against people that think they have a brilliant idea and just need 'someone to build it'.
Of course, an alternate reading is that the Valley now is just the bubble all over again.
Then again, that doesn't mean it wasn't a bubble- the irrationality is in how viable the businesses themselves are, not the ideas, as many more ideas have a kernel of value than what we think, but it's a question of execution, timing, and luck. We might still be heading into another bubble now. Or maybe we've just gotten very, very good at closing the convenience gap.
Bubble actually helped to some extent promote tech and created jobs. Many companies after bubble survived providing jobs and offering safe harbour for employees, startups and investors.
more seriously though, time is as much a part of good ideas as any other component. Google glass is probably a good idea, but also ahead of its time. Even if every other part of the execution is perfect, people need to be ready to accept it.
1) The idea may be something people are willing to pay for, but when given an inordinate amount of money with which to execute it, people go overboard on spending and create a business that is unsustainable if the money unexpectedly goes away (even if the idea itself would have been sustainable if they had started off with less but more predictable resourcing).
2) The idea may be a thing that people want, but costs more to execute than customers are willing to pay (and thus can only be financed in an irrational bubble).
In both cases the ideas are for things people want. You can't judge a business by the idea alone.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/too-...
My Giant store has the Peapod curbside pickup although I've never used it or Peapod in general.
They were OK for my needs when I was using them. Invariably they didn't have everything in stock and didn't have the breadth of selection you have in the store. (And, of course, you can't examine the produce, etc. before buying.) For my needs at the time, they were worth it but under normal circumstances it's easier and cheaper just to swing by the store a few miles down the road.
Success in a startup is not just about a good idea, great people and great execution. It's also very much about timing. You can find lots of stories about smart people trying to create amazing businesses five or ten years before the world is ready for them.
1) are customers ready for it? Will they see it as a weird idea that they'd never spend money on, or as a quality of life improvement? Ten years ago I'd have thought buying kitchen towels on the internet was a crazy idea when I can drive 3 blocks to the store to get them; now I think it's crazy to take a trip to the store for one thing when I can get a better selection and better prices on amazon prime.
2) is the technology / infrastructure you need to implement it in place? Apps related to local travel became much more viable when people started carrying portable computers (with telephone functionality) everywhere they went. Niche resale became much more viable when you could plug in to a pre-existing marketplace (ebay, amazon) with an existing customer base, payment processing, etc. so you don't have to spend big bucks developing those things yourself.
[1] Obviously, companies often do have some runway before turning a profit but normally there needs to be a viable path to get there at some point.
It's more humorous to consider maths and programs as ideas. And when I say humorous, I mean that very seriously.
But, going with that: Conversely, a better execution may be more difficult to implement successfully.
My original point was that the G-GP's statement was self-evident to the point of meaninglessness. You could flip the bits the other way and say something equally as meaning-ful(less).
Both idea and execution have some level of importance, but holding one constant while improving the other does nothing to discriminate between the relative value of either.
I might have been relatively young back then, but seemed to me startups in the 90's went a little too overboard on advertising. Expensive Superbowl advertisements, TV ads, radio and outlandish publicity stunts. Not to mention, the ridiculous parties CEO's would throw. Look around, you can find countless stories of 90's startups throwing lavish and expensive over the top parties courtesy of VC money and high valuations.
A few of the commerce based ideas were ahead of their time. Sadly, the Internet was still this unknown and unsafe looking entity to many consumers in the 90s and early 00's. Not every startup failed though, some did make it through to the other side, but quite a few failed.
I am concerned we are starting to see a repeat of the dot-com boom taking place again. As history has shown, it tends to repeat itself.
The money, in our case, came from a large north-european telco with deep pockets. They turned a blind eye to the burn rate for almost 2 years before pulling the plug.
I've heard of a German tech company hiring a philosopher, you know, just for fun. On a superficial level, this might seem comparable to Google hiring Ken Thompson, Guido van Rossum and tytso. In reality however these folks not only boost Google's reputation among developers, they innovate and make a technical contribution to the company. That precisely is the difference between 90's dotcoms' thrift-spending habits and how companies work today. The article misses that completely.
Oh, there are American companies that do that too: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/17/crystal-ball-3
They did because they could. I'm sure you remember the ungodly amounts of money that were being thrown at everyone with a two-bit idea back then.
This.
Saw this first hand with several companies. I was with a telecom CLEC and we were in a building jammed with startups in the late 90's.
I would agree with all your points and also add most of the companies I saw guys who had been toiling in middle management their whole careers, suddenly got a shot at running their own show. They got drunk on the money and power and ran most of the companies into the ground by burning through their money and making asinine decisions.
The CLEC I was working for was a perfect example.
When I was brought on as a sales person, this was the pitch in the interview:
"We want our sales people to be the highest paid sales people in the industry. We're going to offer more salary and more commission then any other CLEC in town," This was a CLEC who had 15 employees, and were trying to hire three sales people.
Their commission structure would be outrageous for a fortune 500 company, but this was a CLEC startup in a middle tier market. Your quota every month was 60 lines. You got a bonus for hitting your goal, then each tier above that was additional commission.
Here's their tiered structure:
60 lines - $5,000
70 lines - $3,000
80 lines - $4,000
100 lines - $5,000
Let's say I land a nice commercial building with several tenets and the first month I land three companies all three of their contracts equal 70 lines. It would mean I get my $5K for hitting my quota and another $3K bonus for hitting the 70 line tier.
I thought this was awesome. Then after two months I suddenly realized something. I asked around to see what the margins were on the lines we were reselling.
On each line the company was making a pretty nice margin, around $20/per line. Now, you compare that with the commissions they were paying us. You do a little math and realize it's going to take them over 6 months just to break even on the commission they were paying versus what revenue they had coming in from our sales. More lines? More commission and longer wait times to realize a profit. Even though I was still in college, it was obvious to me this was not a smart business decision.
EDIT: CLEC stands for Competitive Local Exchange Carrier
Pay close attention to the underlying costs of the implementation of your idea and look for new technologies which you can use to enter a market with a higher quality product/service at a reasonable price.
I'm not entirely sure what their long term plan is, but I'm hoping this is just an attempt to establish a monopoly that can then be exploited to turn the operation into a profit.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/marketforceslive/2014/ju...
A pity to see even they're running so lean on the profit margins - I've found them to offer the best organised process for actually getting the groceries inside, where all the crates are staged first, then the bags unhooked and hefted inside, taking very little time at all, versus the loose bags or even completely loose items of the other supermarket delivery operations.
The dot-com era was full of companies getting heavy funding with zero sales, zero product, zero track record and absolutely no real market evaluation.
Companies would literally spend days of meetings trying to figure out what colors to paint their huge offices and have massive catered lunches.
I worked at one company that had ZERO revenue and had secured $20 million in funding, and immediately hired 200 people. When the money ran out, they got another cash infusion of $40 million from a pending buy out, and when we were being told this by the CEO, I joked to a coworker that we would need to spend twice as fast this time to run out at the same speed...the very next thing that came out of the CEO's mouth was "so we're going to be doubling our staff right away". I found out later that we had TWO actual programmers in our company (I was one) and 10 "managers" for every actual "employee".
It was ludicrous. I think there are issues with today's 'VC' fueled market, but it's nothing like back in '99.
Marc Andreesen: "1/A thing I believe that few believe: Almost all Silicon Valley startup ideas from qualified founders = great ideas. But some are too early."
The whole tweetstorm is a good read.
I disagree with that. I was working on tablets in the late 90s, online chat software too. Neither went anywhere. So "worst ideas" or too early or poorly executed? ..probably mostly the latter two.
One could argue the Newton falls into that category, coming simply too early for pervasive (sometimes) high speed cellular data, where Palm/Handspring and RIM fared so well - even if transiently - later on.
its akin to music. there are a lot of good musicians but it is much harder to put together a great band.