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I remember I started moving out of Google's claws when they started pushing Google+ everywhere. Today my primary browser is Firefox, Search engine is DDG (with occassional Google search), Email is FastMail. The dependency on Google had started to annoy me.

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Same here. I used to have Google Mail, Google Contacts, YouTube, Google Search, Google News, etc.

I was feeling more and more dependent on one company's goodwill. A few months ago, I renewed my Fastmail [1] account for 3 more years, being very happy with the service. I use DuckDuckGo [2] as my main search engine and love it. I use Opera as my main browser. The only Google services I use regularly now are Android and YouTube. YouTube being totally optional and Android only being an interface to data located elsewhere, I feel free. Sure, Google has access to my data, but they can't lock me in.

[1] https://www.fastmail.com [2] https://duckduckgo.com

How is Android without using Google services? Is there a significant impact on the experience?

A while back I flashed my Nexus 5 with a CyanogenMod 11 build. I didn't install the GApps package afterward.

One thing you will notice immediately is that the battery life lasts much much longer. With casual surfing, watching video clips, playing casual games and Wifi always on, the battery lasts for almost 24 hours. It looks as if this is what the original Nexus 5 should be. All those background Google services and "frameworks" constantly calling back home will drain the battery to the death pretty fast. That's also valid for some other apps. Not having Facebook app installed will increase the battery life too.

Sure you have no Google Play store installed but you can always use one of those (safe) apk downloaders like Raccoon[1] or such to login to Play store and download your previous apps. As for other Google services (Maps, YouTube, Translate, GMail, etc.), I can always visit their sites in incognito mode. You will actually realize you really don't need all those individual apps to use these services. They all work good enough in a browser window.

[1]http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2772436

And you can still use 3rd party markets like F-Droid and Aptoide.

Excellent point, completely forgot the invaluable F-Droid.

Also, another option is BlankStore [1]. it appears as if development has stopped and Raccoon may be a better option at this point, but it still works for me on 4.4.4 and gives me pretty consistent access straight from my phone, save for paid apps.

[1] http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1715375

The only Google services I use on my Android phone are Maps and the Play store. Occasionally Drive and Docs because of a customer that uses them. I search in the browser. No sync. It works perfectly fine. But that's how I use Google on my desktop too. If you are used to more integration you won't survive that :-)

The experience for me is the same because all products I use regularly have good mobile apps and/or mobile webapps.

The biggest thing i'm looking for now is a replacement for Google's apps suite - mainly Calendar and Docs/Drive. Something that i can use on the web and sync to my (Android) phone. If the Docs replacement just did text documents, that would probably be enough; if it did spreadsheets and text, it would definitely be enough. It would be great if it was free, and fine if it was cheap. Not Apple (no better than Google), not Evernote (poor and declining quality). What's out there?

Fastmail has a good Calendar app in addition to Email, Contacts and File Storage. It doesn't really have a Docs replacement, but it does have a Notes app. I use all of them and enjoy it quite a bit.

It also is probably worth noting that, while Apple is plenty evil in its own ways, if you're looking to avoid the rampant data collection of Google, Apple is significantly better in that regard.

i sync fastmail's calendar with the built-in android calendar app by using caldav.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.dmfs.calda...

This is a tough one. I have seen Etherpad [http://etherpad.org/] being used a lot. The there is Zoho suite of apps [https://www.zoho.com/] but I am not sure if they really match your requirements completely.

For writing and other docs, I personally use Dropbox but I know that is not the same as working in the browser itself.

There's also Ethercalc [https://ethercalc.org/], a spreadsheet version of Etherpad.

Etherpad, Ethercalc and Mailpile (and more!) are all available on top of Sandstorm [https://sandstorm.io/apps/] - which basically makes it easier to manage them all.

Owncloud has something similar but it's very new. Also, it means you run it on your own hardware, and it's open source. https://owncloud.org/blog/owncloud-7-sneak-peek-online-colla...

I have slowly moved to Microsoft Office Online. It has worked fine so far. I had become a heavy GDocs user and became accustomed to the simplified feature set. I think Office Online is decent free alternative.https://office.com/start/default.aspx

I agree that the hard part (even more so for a business looking to change) is the docs suite.

It still surprises me a little that there is no web-app capable of editing ODF files. This would allow the email/calendar etc concept to be carried over - host the content (in this case files) on a server in version control, and allow users to either keep an offline copy that syncs, or access via a web app.

From a personal usage view, I disagree with your statement that Apple is no better than Google. No, their software is not open source and doesn't run on any device you want. But their software is also not intended to capture all your personal information and use that to show you more ads. It's basically a perk for using their hardware.

Quip is pretty good as a Google Docs replacement. It's got apps for web and mobile-- https://quip.com

Like others, I use Fastmail's calendar now. I also run my own Baikal[1] server for CardDAV/contacts (though I guess I could run my calendar on it too, since it does CalDAV).

[1] http://baikal-server.com/

I use Fastmail's calendar which they made public a few months ago. I'm finding it just as fast as Google's calendar. For docs I started using Quip which is not as full featured but it offers just enough to make things quick and easy.

Same here. FF + DDG + FastMail is a quite low action path away from Google for individual users. Migration took me only a day (FastMail's mass migration is truly a breeze) and after almost a year: no complaints (maybe minor wishes, but hey!).

EDIT: and K-9 (for Android) as mail-client.

Thanks for the Fastmail recommendation! I have been using Yahoo for 8 years now, but I've never really felt comfortable using a free service for something as critical as email. And certainly not comfortable leaving it in the hands of one of the biggest companies in the world.

FastMail seems very transparent. They provide aost of the stuff that I needed from an Email hosting company, even independent audits.

Check out yacy, a distributed search engine :)

> The dependency on Google had started to annoy me.

Either Chrome or Firefox or something else. Choose your poison. One's life has to be depended on something.

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