Visual Studio 2013 Community Edition now available
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A bit OT but don't apologise for being more proficient in an unpopular/less accepted tool than most are with a popular/more accepted one.
Tired of people shitting on other folk for not using the "flavour of the month" tool.
Less v. Sass, PHP v. the world ... it's not constructive.
No problem in discussing the pros and cons of one tool over the other, and it's still fine to conclude one has as many pros as the other has cons, but it's not ok to bemoan the use of either.
Nothing wrong with hg. In fact, lots of good things about it:
http://selenic.com/hg/help/revsets
http://evolution.experimentalworks.net/doc/user-guide.html
http://jordi.inversethought.com/blog/customising-mercurial-l...
What's left out to make it non-enterprise development? Or to put it another way - how are they restricting its usage & preserving sales of Visual Studio?
There is also this phrase which is even more vague:
and for teams with more than five people
Per-seat licensing I can understand, but what constitutes a "team"? If I use it to develop an application, I'm not allowed to share the source code with more than 4 others? That doesn't make any sense.
Ouch, just $1 million in revenue? That's a definition of "enterprise" that's going to exclude nearly every non-tiny business.
They also mention that Community has the full power of Visual Studio with no features really removed. It's just the licensing for whatever size teams that matters.
I've long used the compiler included with the Windows SDK for automated testing of our C API. Since the latest versions of the SDK no longer include a compiler, I'll need to use some edition of Visual C++, for which I had assumed that Visual Studio Express 2013 for Windows Desktop (say that three times fast) would suffice. If Community replaces Express, I'll no longer have a freely available tool chain to deploy throughout the testing lab.
I guess I'll have to reread the terms of my MSDN subscription to see whether it's kosher for me to install Visual Studio on systems where other people are running my tests, or if they'll need subscriptions too.
Microsoft makes 25% of it's revenue from Windows. And an equal amount from server and tools(this is where VS belongs). Xbox makes 13% and Bing 4%.
Office makes up 32% of the revenue. If MS can sacrifice a part of the 25% which VS is a part of and retain or perhaps increase the net revenue from other segments ( by attracting developers), then it will be a successful move.
Attracting developers will only be half the game. It will still have to find a way to ship more devices with Windows and for that it will have to make Windows devices and phones primarily an attractive option.
With most consumer computing now occurring on mobile devices, sales of devices with Windows will determine Microsoft's future. The consumer segment will have an effect on the enterprise segment as well. Microsoft will then end up eventually losing all their revenue streams.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/19/microsofts-business-in-thre...
Correct me of I'm wrong, but aren't they the same or lower? http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-chops-azure-prices-to-match-a...
Check out BizSpark.com or get in touch with me if you happen to be a YC company (felix.rieseberg@microsoft.com).
(Also, sorry for popping up in all the threads - We have a lot of threads here right now about VS options and I want to make sure that people know that they might be able to get VS Ultimate for free.)
>VS Community enables you to develop everything from Windows Forms and WPF and MFC to Windows Phone and Store to Azure and ASP.NET
One thing to note is that the Community edition does require registration within 30 days to continue using it in the same way VS Express does.
What this means for the express versions I do not know, I suspect they will not be around for VS 2015.
Of course VS is a huge beast of an application and there are thousands of parts that will be more or less impossible to port straight over because of ties with windows (Profiler for example).
This is eventually what happens, after the first mover monopolists collect their rent for a decade. I don't mean it in a bad way, just as an observation of repeatable economic trends.
After all, now Microsoft needs more app developers to develop Windows apps and compete on the mobile front.
The mobile thing is relevant of course, but Azure is where they are betting the farm.
(or visual studio community if you qualify)
Q: Who can use Visual Studio Community? A: Here’s how individual developers can use Visual Studio Community: Any individual developer can use Visual Studio Community to create their own free or paid apps.
According to this video http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Visual-Studio/Connect-event-... Xamarin (Bussiness or Enterprise) should work just fine with VS Community.
Free Xamarin Starter Edition for Visual Studio Users –
Today, Microsoft announced a new, free edition to Visual
Studio—Visual Studio Community. Visual Studio Community
contains support for extensions, which means it will be
Xamarin compatible with from day one. We want to help make
Visual Studio Community a tool for anyone to create native
apps for iOS and Android, so we are announcing our plans to
enable our freely available Xamarin Starter Edition to work
with Visual Studio Community. We are also doubling the size
limit on apps that can be created with Xamarin Starter Edition,
so that you can build even more capable apps for free.
This will be available in the coming weeks.I suppose Xamarin will offer VS support for the Indie license too, doesn't make much sense to offer support only for the Starter license. The Indie license allows you to use libraries like MonoGame.
> Q: How does Visual Studio Community 2013 compare to other Visual Studio editions?
> A: Visual Studio Community 2013 includes all the great functionality of Visual Studio Professional 2013, designed and optimized for individual developers, students, open source contributors, and small teams.
This won't impact their primary market, especially when you consider that MSDN subscriptions are often considered the primary benefit of using Visual Studio.
Not quite. You cannot use Community IN an enterprise other than for contributing to open source, academic research, or classroom learning. There's no restriction on using it to MAKE enterprise software.
And hard as I tried I couldn't find the details as to what that means without downloading the new version.
I don't know if Microsoft is among ones practice this approach, but they can potentially discontinue and force users to move on to paid version, once they gain enough user hooked to it.
Though, it seems like Microsoft has been consistent with their Express SKUs for years, maybe this is purely theoretical. (One instance I can think of is TechNet -- but this one, they discontinued it without alternative path, so I guess it's a little different...)