Deficit: flow. Debt: stock. It is meaningful, because even if you can service it forever, the cost of servicing it could have been spent elsewhere, forever. The present value of all future debt servicing payments, taking into account the government's cost of capital, is... $18T. If we didn't have $18T in this debt, we could have $18T in some other debt -- we could be financing $18T worth of something else. I don't know how it's not meaningful.